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Re:The world is awful, the world is much better, the world c... by 29athrowaway on Thursday July 21, 2022 @01:51AM (#32176204)
> "The world has been getting better, and continues to get better."

Perhaps the tiny surface of the world you interact with now has more conveniences than before, but that is very distant from a reality where things are getting better.

Your perception depends on taking many factors for granted, not acknowledging we depend on multiple concurrent progress traps.

If you go to the supermarket and the shelves are empty, if there's no water running through your pipes, if there's no power coming from your outlets, if there's no internet connectivity, and so on, your reality bubble will be popped.

Overusing topsoil, overusing fresh water, killing all the pollinators, pumping aquifers dry, overfishing, using fossil fuels, having pollution festivals like halloween, air travel for trivial reasons, etc. We live our lives thinking the natural world will adapt to our stupid wasteful lifestyle which gets more wasteful every day. But that won't do. Everyone will have to adapt and have a lifestyle that is more sustainable, and that lifestyle will be very different to the one we have now.

Every society is 3 meals away from revolution, and that revolution is coming in our lifetimes when we finish ruining the planet for ourselves. Terraforming mars won't do shit for the political instability that will unfold as a consequence of failed harvests, water exhaustion, topsoil death, etc. War for the resources that are left is inevitable as resources become scarce.

Toxic optimism won't make things better. Only acknowledging problems instead of hiding them behind layers of abstraction will.

Re:The world is awful, the world is much better, the world c... by Winsaucerer on Thursday July 21, 2022 @05:14AM (#32177214)
> Perhaps the tiny surface of the world you interact with now has more conveniences than before, but that is very distant from a reality where things are getting better.

By MANY measures, the world has been getting gradually better for just about everyone: https://ourworldindata.org/a-history-of-global-living-condit.... When we look at the facts globally, there is a clear and obvious trajectory.

> Toxic optimism won't make things better. Only acknowledging problems instead of hiding them behind layers of abstraction will.

Who isn't acknowledging problems? My optimism doesn't mean I think there aren't serious, present, and pressing problems (I do!). These problems must be identified, and we must take action to resolve them. I'm just optimistic that we will continue to do so, as we always have. I believe in doing the work involved, and my optimism makes me think it's worth putting in the effort, that it's worth doing the hard yards.

Re:The world is awful, the world is much better, the world c... by 29athrowaway on Thursday July 21, 2022 @08:14AM (#32178411)
Again, you are not acknowledging the progress traps.

Our solution has always been to migrate to the next place that has resources. But soon there will be no such place.

Re:The world is awful, the world is much better, the world c... by tsimionescu on Thursday July 21, 2022 @07:31AM (#32178110)
But we are very visibly NOT doing what needs to be done, particularly in the effort to stop climate change. The world's largest polluter per capita by far is actively opposed to virtually any measures which could stop climate change, and it's using its vast influence to more or less indirectly convince others not to do so. Europeans are also patting their backs for how green they are, while still mostly producing more CO2 per capita than China and India combined.