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Re:Gitlab and remote work by lucideer on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @03:17PM (#32170803)
If there's nothing wrong with it, why would it preclude one being a world leader.

(not saying GL are, there could be other unrelated things precluding it)

Re:Gitlab and remote work by rschachte on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @03:24PM (#32170878)
Because being a world leader in remote work would imply they don’t do that?
Re:Gitlab and remote work by wowokay on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @03:28PM (#32170933)
That doesn’t make sense? Just like universal pay doesn’t make sense unless there is a universal cost to everything.
Re:Gitlab and remote work by rschachte on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @03:30PM (#32170958)
It makes sense relative to actual world leaders in tech that do not adjust pay based on location.
Re:Gitlab and remote work by codegeek on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @05:13PM (#32172405)
Why should the definition of "World Leader in Remote" be based on how they pay. Why can't it be based on the fact that they allow fully remote and pay reasonably well for your area. Who decides the definition ?
Re:Gitlab and remote work by rschachte on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @10:57PM (#32175270)
Well that would be fine and all but there are a zillion tech companies that allow remote work that pay reasonably well. It doesn’t mean they’re a world leader in remote work.

I worked at a small company that paid me a lot, gave me free stuff, perks etc. It doesn’t mean they’re a world leader in remote work. It just means they offer those things.

The point is — they are not a world leader in remote work. They are a tech company with perks and this is good marketing for them to convince people like you otherwise.

Re:Gitlab and remote work by chrisan on Thursday July 21, 2022 @05:41AM (#32177365)
> They're only asking for an explanation of your metric: that location based pay grades preclude leadership in remote working. I have yet to see any reasonable case for why this should be?

Not sure how I reply to the comment below by lucideer, I guess HN has a limit on children?

Anywho, this is for him, not you :)

Isn't the burden of proof on the one making the claim?

I have yet to see a reasonable case for why they should be called a global leader when they treat their workers differently for the same output.

Inequality is never going to be associated with a leader in my mind. Maybe from a c-level suit perspective they seem like leaders because they are getting away with making more money at the expense of the people building the product.

Re:Gitlab and remote work by lucideer on Thursday July 21, 2022 @10:06AM (#32179566)
> Isn't the burden of proof on the one making the claim?

Yes. It is.

> I have yet to see a reasonable case for why they should be called a global leader when they treat their workers differently for the same output.

My point was no-one has made that claim (nor any similar positive claim - your rephrasing uses weasel words* to bias the interpretation)

The claim being made is as follows: "paying workers geo-adjusted wages precludes a company from being a global leader in remote work".

Noone has claimed that geo-adjusted wages do make them a leader, nor that GL even is a leader. Only one commenter has made a claim: that is that geo-adjusted wages preclude leadership.

* Aside to explain my comment on weasel words: paying the same wage could be as easily interpreted "treating workers differently" given spending power is actually a product of wage / cost-of-living ratio; the value of money is geographically variable

Re:Gitlab and remote work by CRConrad on Saturday July 30, 2022 @08:06PM (#32291670)
> The claim being made is as follows: "paying workers geo-adjusted wages precludes a company from being a global leader in remote work".

That's just a counter-claim; a denial of the original claim, which was Gitlab's "We are a global leader".

With quite a lot of people saying"No, your behaviour is by definition not that of a leader", I'd say the burden of proof still lies squarely on Gitlab's shoulders: They made a rather bold claim, they get to show that it isn't BS.

Re:Gitlab and remote work by lucideer on Thursday July 21, 2022 @05:12AM (#32177203)
> to convince people like you otherwise

Nobody here is "convinced by their marketing" or has even mentioned they believe GLs claim. They're only asking for an explanation of your metric: that location based pay grades preclude leadership in remote working. I have yet to see any reasonable case for why this should be?

Re:Gitlab and remote work by strokirk on Thursday July 21, 2022 @10:40AM (#32179957)
Can you name a couple?