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Re:EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, a... by shadowgovt on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @09:37AM (#32165611)
Possibly. The other possibility is it will make it impossible to buy an iPhone in Europe.

It certainly puts a huge incentive on Apple to figure out technical solutions to problems like "How do we get other browser engines on this thing without compromising a hundred OS assumptions, battery performance, or user security," but it's also possible Apple decides that's a no-go and it'll cost more than 25% of annual revenue to comply, at which point the winning market strategy is opt-out. That's fine; win-win for the EU market because it clears the playing field for a European-originated competitor to the iPhone.

ETA I forgot the third possibility: Apple decides it will cost more than 10% (and later 20%) of revenue to comply, but the 5% bump in value is still worth it and they write off non-compliance as a tax to do business in Europe. Then if the EU tries to impose structural or behavioral changes, we're back to square one on the question of whether those changes cost more than (now) 5% of Apple's revenue.

Re:EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, a... by igorkraw on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @10:00AM (#32165920)
Last I checked the EU was still the largest single market block in the world. Maybe that changed since then, but I don't think Apple will simply cede that to a competitor - especially since it would go heavily against their "we care about users" narrative.
Re:EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, a... by ben_w on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @10:13AM (#32166057)
I think that depends what you mean by "biggest", as the US is richer and both India and China have more people. I think Apple sales in China and the EU are about equal, and that US are significantly higher, but my info may be out of date and was merely a summary in any case.

But I would agree, they're not likely to just give up on the market. Even ignoring the likelihood of similar laws everywhere else, it's too big and too tempting.

Re:EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, a... by antonymy on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @11:40AM (#32167347)
EU's a very large, very wealthy market, but not the biggest for Apple. https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/europe Android owns more than 60% of the EU market. Even so, writing off the EU would be further knee-capping Apple's global market share, and would for certain constitute a more than 10% drop in revenue, and not just for this year, for all years going forward until they find a way back into it. So no I don't think Apple's going anywhere.
Re:EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, a... by M2Ys4U on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @09:48AM (#32165742)
> Possibly. The other possibility is it will make it impossible to buy an iPhone in Europe.

I doubt Apple will be willing to forego sales in the world's third largest economy, tbh.

Re:EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, a... by shadowgovt on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @10:18AM (#32166114)
It's not about absolute value; it's about relative value. if not making the change costs them the whole market (about 25% of their revenue) and making the change adds 30% to engineering overhead or adds 30% costs due to secondary effects (such as market-share loss to Android because Apple's performance moat suffers), it might not be worth it.

To be clear: I think this is the right kind of hardball for EU to play. The stakes are high, but most outcomes are a net win for the EU. It seems like strategically good law.

Re:EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, a... by refurb on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @10:59AM (#32166683)
Exactly.

If 30% of your business wants a change that means a 40% drop to all your business the smart move is to drop the customer that is 30%.

Re:EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, a... by microtherion on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @07:16PM (#32173674)
> The other possibility is it will make it impossible to buy an iPhone in Europe.

On a practical level, it might not be all that easy to stop that entirely. Sure, Apple could stop selling iPhones in the EU (and would probably close their stores altogether). But a gray (black? In this case I'm not entirely certain) market would almost certainly appear. iPhones in the EU might acquire the cachet of Cuban Cigars in the US.

Re:EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, a... by mullingitover on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @06:22PM (#32173190)
> That's fine; win-win for the EU market because it clears the playing field for a European-originated competitor to the iPhone.

I think that's what the EU is hoping for. Their technology industry completely failed in this space, so for them it makes perfect sense to simply drive competitors out of the market entirely. Worst case for them is that the international competitors actually comply.

Re:EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, a... by unity1001 on Thursday July 21, 2022 @05:33AM (#32177328)
Eu's technology industry did not 'fail' in this space. It allowed the US to dominate it due to the long-standing control of the US over NATO and its political-economic consequences. Similar to how the Eu let the US destroy its entire aerospace industry starting from 1960s until recently.

China, India did not allow that. Hence, they already have various competitors in various tech sectors.

Re:EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, a... by tzs on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @10:30AM (#32166262)
> It certainly puts a huge incentive on Apple to figure out technical solutions to problems like "How do we get other browser engines on this thing without compromising a hundred OS assumptions, battery performance, or user security,"

Virtualization? Run a hypervisor on the phone that allows running multiple virtual smartphones. Apple can provide two virtual smartphone environments, one that works like the current native iOS, and one that provides a basic smartphone that is wide open and on which you can install anything you want (maybe based on Android?). Make this second one open source so it can be a basis third parties can use to develop more virtual smartphones for iPhone hardware.