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Re:Cooling related failure (in Google London DC) by sofixa on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @02:17AM (#32162116)
For the AZs that's slightly complicated by the fact that at least for AWS, they are randomised (your eu-west-1a isn't necessarily the same as mine), so it might be pretty much impossible to actually check for actual overlap even if you know one DC is used by both Google and Oracle. Spreading out regions seems more appropriate to increase redundancy.
Re:Cooling related failure (in Google London DC) by dgl on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @02:25AM (#32162187)
Amazon does provide a way to map to the real availability zone: https://docs.aws.amazon.com/ram/latest/userguide/working-wit...

It's also not appropriate in all cases to spread out, for example the nearest zones to London are around ~7ms away in mainland Europe.

Re:Cooling related failure (in Google London DC) by klohto on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @02:40AM (#32162303)
The provided info is only relative to AWS. If you wanna map geographical destination across clouds you’re out of luck unless you have reports with precise location available. Generally, AWS already provides certain assurances that AZs are spread out.
Re:Cooling related failure (in Google London DC) by formerly_proven on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @02:32AM (#32162235)
I didn't know this, but it makes perfect sense and randomizing the a/b/c is a tried and true solution - e.g. in the electrical grid, L1/2/3 are rotated for each customer, because people tend to connect more stuff to L1 on average.
Re:Cooling related failure (in Google London DC) by Nick87633 on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @10:41AM (#32166413)
Most people only have single phase power here in the US with +120 and -120 legs separated by 180 degrees angle. The power company steps the voltage down from a single phase on the distribution wires. Circuit breaker panels are set up with alternating legs so that the neutral current is approximately balanced whether you fill up the panel on one side first or from top down.
Re:Cooling related failure (in Google London DC) by thunderrabbit on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @03:25AM (#32162593)
> people tend to connect more stuff to L1 on average.

I just plug into the wall socket and it works.

How could I choose to connect things to L2?

Re:Cooling related failure (in Google London DC) by aetherspawn on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @03:35AM (#32162670)
If your property has 3 phase power, chances are your single phase breakers are just on some random phase (picked by your electrician) ie phase 1.

Because phase 1 is picked so often, they actually rotate the phases at the street ie switch 1 2 3 with 3 1 2 to avoid having ie 300% more load on phase 1 and having the grid just die.

Re:Cooling related failure (in Google London DC) by mschuster91 on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @05:43AM (#32163416)
> If your property has 3 phase power, chances are your single phase breakers are just on some random phase (picked by your electrician) ie phase 1.

That's bollocks or speaks for a completely incompetent electrician. Usually, you have three phase rails coming out of your GFCI that distribute the phases sequentially to each breaker [1] to avoid that scenario, as well as ending up with a tripped main breaker because the customer overloads the phase.

The only case where great care is being taken to avoid random assignment of phases is in event stage technology - you do not want your lighting dimmer packs on the same phase as your amplifiers because dimmer packs inject extreme amounts of EM noise, and you also have to take care to not put overloads on any single phase anywhere. However, it's questionable on how long this will stay relevant, given that most lighting load is moving off to LEDs.

[1] https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Busch-Jaeger-Hage-Phase-KDN380A-3...

Re:Cooling related failure (in Google London DC) by lathiat on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @10:22AM (#32166160)
Guessing you’re from the UK where you seem to have fancy pre configured sub boards. In Australia the standard and 99% of house installs are just hand wired with single wires from breaker to breaker and they’re twisted together and rammed into the bottom of the breakers :)
Re:Cooling related failure (in Google London DC) by mschuster91 on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @12:36PM (#32168295)
Germany, and I've worked on construction sites and in stage tech for a time in my career.

What you describe is... beyond awful and an absurd fire risk.

Re:Cooling related failure (in Google London DC) by fennecfoxy on Thursday July 21, 2022 @05:32AM (#32177322)
Lmao I moved from NZ to UK and the house wiring here has very often not been touched anywhere from the 60s-80s or so.

They are very slowly modernising here, but they seem to have a cultural resistance to change/modernisation; they're in love with the old days.

Very different to Aus/NZ where we're eager to get the latest stuff/NZ is often used as a test market.

Re:Cooling related failure (in Google London DC) by gerdesj on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @04:11AM (#32162865)
Ours are called red, green and blue which helps avoid all on P1.
Re:Cooling related failure (in Google London DC) by rkangel on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @06:48AM (#32163849)
UK Phases used to be coloured as well. The wiring regs changed to make it much less confusing (and cause fewer issues for colourblind people) so that they're now L1, L2, L3.

The GP is also a bit misleading. Most residential properties in the UK are only fed one phase - either the street only has one phase or the grid connects houses up L1, L2, L3 in sequence. Of course I'm speak about detached and semi-detached houses, in larger groups of houses (e.g. blocks of flats) you usually get 3 phases, and one of the jobs of the electrician is phase balancing.

Re:Cooling related failure (in Google London DC) by gerdesj on Thursday July 21, 2022 @07:26PM (#32186528)
I'm from Yeovil, Somerset! I have a fair idea about 'leccy here.
Re:Cooling related failure (in Google London DC) by rkangel on Thursday July 21, 2022 @08:02PM (#32186838)
Then you'd know they're Red, Yellow and Blue, and that colouring went out in 2006:

https://www.newfound-energy.co.uk/electrical-three-phase-wir...

Re:Cooling related failure (in Google London DC) by Majestic121 on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @05:27AM (#32163317)
I wonder if there can still be a statistical discrepancy due to the electrician favorite color.

It seems blue is strongly favored by psychology students for example : https://www.livescience.com/34105-favorite-colors.html

Re:Cooling related failure (in Google London DC) by terom on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @03:57AM (#32162780)
Hopefully not 123 -> 312 but e.g 231.

AFAIK phase order matters for e.g. three-phase motors, they will spin in the wrong direction if wired with the phases in the wrong order.

Re:Cooling related failure (in Google London DC) by scatters on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @04:06AM (#32162843)
312 is also a clockwise direction; the anticlockwise ones are 132 213 321.
Re:Cooling related failure (in Google London DC) by falcor84 on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @04:06AM (#32162841)
I'm not following, aren't 123,231 and 312 all in the same order?
Re:Cooling related failure (in Google London DC) by BillinghamJ on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @02:20AM (#32162143)
Your own mappings are available in the console and on the API. So definitely still possible to tell