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Re:What I learned trying to classify abortion access across ... by tsimionescu on Monday July 18, 2022 @03:50PM (#32142765)
Well, yes, the majority of people are disgusted by the idea of a 10-year-old girl is being forced to carry a pregnancy (the fact that she was trapped makes it all the more monstrous). That the NRL is of a different opinion only shows that they are an extremist organization, way out on the fringes.

Even in this extreme case though, if said 10-year-old victim were 1 hour away from being able to give birth, I don't think it would make sense to allow an abortion (though of course a C-section can be performed at any time). So clearly there is some line, even for the most extreme cases.

Re:What I learned trying to classify abortion access across ... by spread_love on Monday July 18, 2022 @03:56PM (#32142849)
> That the NRL is of a different opinion only shows that they are an extremist organization, way out on the fringes

It's the oldest and largest national anti-abortion organization in the United States, hardly the fringes. They do a lot of campaign financing.

Re:What I learned trying to classify abortion access across ... by tablespoon on Monday July 18, 2022 @04:28PM (#32143225)
>> That the NRL is of a different opinion only shows that they are an extremist organization, way out on the fringes

> It's the oldest and largest national anti-abortion organization in the United States, hardly the fringes. They do a lot of campaign financing.

IHMO, whether it was fully understood by the GP or not, "extremist organization, way out on the fringes" was probably in relation to the US Democratic Party, not American politics in general.

It's toxic, misleading, and annoying, but I think a lot of rhetoric nowadays is trying to manipulate the "Overton window" to partisan advantage rather than debate the issue itself.

Re:What I learned trying to classify abortion access across ... by tsimionescu on Monday July 18, 2022 @04:45PM (#32143429)
No, it's true in relation to the politics of ordinary Americans. Look at any polls on abortion, and you'll see that this type of ban is well on the fringes.

Even more so if you were to present this explicit situation - I'd bet even some of the most religious people you find would be hard pressed to say that a ten year old girl should be forced to carry that pregnancy to term.

Re:What I learned trying to classify abortion access across ... by spread_love on Monday July 18, 2022 @05:32PM (#32144115)
Well we don't have to just blindly guess, we could also look at some research.

> More than a third of abortion opponents (36%) say it should be legal if the pregnancy results from rape, with 27% saying “it depends” and 37% expressing opposition to legal abortion even in this situation https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/05/06/americas-abo...

...and the largest anti-abortion organization in the country agrees with the decision to deny her healthcare. Does that match their constituents' beliefs?

Re:What I learned trying to classify abortion access across ... by tsimionescu on Monday July 18, 2022 @06:01PM (#32144554)
I would say that 37% of 37% of the population is quite a fringe position.
Re:What I learned trying to classify abortion access across ... by spread_love on Monday July 18, 2022 @06:55PM (#32145166)
More than a third (not counting "it depends" respondents)?! I guess I define "fringe" as something other than "mainstream" but your definition may vary.

Is the agreement by the largest anti-abortion organization in the country to deny her healthcare in line with their constituents' beliefs?

Re:What I learned trying to classify abortion access across ... by tsimionescu on Monday July 18, 2022 @04:25PM (#32143188)
The Catholic Church is one of the oldest and richest institutions on Earth. Its views on contraception are still way out on the fringes of public opinion.
Re:What I learned trying to classify abortion access across ... by spread_love on Monday July 18, 2022 @05:29PM (#32144067)
There are about 70 million Catholics in the US, 20% of the population. Are a majority of their members' views on abortion out of line with the Catholic Church? They're a pretty sizable part of "public opinion."
Re:What I learned trying to classify abortion access across ... by tsimionescu on Monday July 18, 2022 @05:56PM (#32144466)
> Are a majority of their members' views on abortion out of line with the Catholic Church?

Yes. Also, I was specifically talking about contraception, not abortion.

Re:What I learned trying to classify abortion access across ... by spread_love on Monday July 18, 2022 @07:01PM (#32145222)
Oh, they aren't very good Catholics then! Those numbers are much higher amongst practicing Catholics, and their self-reported views on abortion are very mainstream, not on the fringes at all.
Re:What I learned trying to classify abortion access across ... by diob on Monday July 18, 2022 @10:13PM (#32146744)
Disgusted but apparently still voting for it.