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Re:China mortgage boycott data erased by censors as crisis s... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday July 17, 2022 @01:23AM (#32124686)
> taking toxic loan assets of banks balance sheet and absorbing it onto the fed balance sheet

This is not what happened. (The Fed never bought the toxic assets. It bought Treasuries and super-safe nontraditional assets off owners of toxic assets so they had the liquidity to resolve themselves. But the toxic stuff ended up in other places.)

Re:China mortgage boycott data erased by censors as crisis s... by jollybean on Sunday July 17, 2022 @03:19AM (#32125086)
No, the Central Banks give banks cash in return for garbage mortgages.

Look at the giant bump in 2008 in Fed assets. Most of that is mortgages.

And then in 2019 an even bigger calamity.

Those massive jumps represent the finantialization of the USA, a massive form of economic shift.

[1] https://wallstreetonparade.com/2022/06/fed-data-shows-a-half...

Re:China mortgage boycott data erased by censors as crisis s... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday July 17, 2022 @08:25AM (#32126184)
> Central Banks give banks cash in return for garbage mortgages

There are zero mortgages on the Fed’s balance sheet. There has never been a mortgage on its balance sheet. If you think the Fed bought whole mortgages off banks for keepsies, or lost a single cent on its bailouts, you’ve missed something.

Re:China mortgage boycott data erased by censors as crisis s... by atwood22 on Sunday July 17, 2022 @12:42PM (#32128374)
Is this a joke? The Fed has almost 3 trillion of mortgages on its books. Source (from the Fed itself): https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WSHOMCB
Re:China mortgage boycott data erased by censors as crisis s... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday July 17, 2022 @01:45PM (#32129121)
> Fed has almost 3 trillion of mortgages on its books

“Mortgage-backed obligations held by Federal Reserve Banks…guaranteed by Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, or Ginnie Mae” [1]. Not mortgages. It’s a subtle difference. But a big one, given the top tranches of mortgage-backed securities never faced a solvency (versus a liquidity) problem.

[1] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WSHOMCB

Re:China mortgage boycott data erased by censors as crisis s... by atwood22 on Sunday July 17, 2022 @03:07PM (#32130029)
There is literally 0 functional difference. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are government sponsored entities. They buy conforming mortgages from banks, package them up into a mortgage-backed securities, and then sell them on the open market. The Fed buys these. So your claim that the Fed doesn’t buy mortgages because “ackshually Fannie Mae buys the mortgage” doesn’t hold much water. And in fact, the only real reason Fannie Mae can guarantee mortgages is because ultimately the Fed can step in to buy any distressed assets.
Re:China mortgage boycott data erased by censors as crisis s... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday July 17, 2022 @06:26PM (#32132084)
> literally 0 functional difference. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are government sponsored entities

Fed means Federal Reserve. Not the federal government. The Fed and federal government are meaningfully different.

Re:China mortgage boycott data erased by censors as crisis s... by jollybean on Sunday July 17, 2022 @08:22PM (#32133047)
The Fed is 'Governance'. It's just not democratic and didn't arrive into it's current situation the way we would have liked it.

It acts in essentially the same manner as 'Bank of England' or the 'ECB' just structured a bit differently.

The Fed's massive intervention in 2008 was similar to other Central Banks, because it's effectively the same thing i.e. 'governance'.

The Fed's intervention to 'buy mortgages' is not a 'market response' - it's a 'government response'.

The intervention was mostly related to buying mortgages (however they ares structured is secondary) and is de-facto a bailout of Home Owners, who, if they were subject to normal market conditions, would have faced massive foreclosures, and, would have destroyed home prices for everyone else, furthering the calamity.

That the mortgages on the Fed's Balance sheet were not 'the worst' of the assets is a bit of a side show - in 'current market terms' they were all toxic we know that because nobody wanted to buy them, which is why the Fed had to do a 'non market intervention'.

If they were not basically 'garbage' at the time, the Fed would not have had to intervene to buy them.

As a result, the Fed hold's a giant pile of 'mortgages'.

Re:China mortgage boycott data erased by censors as crisis s... by JumpCrisscross on Monday July 18, 2022 @08:55AM (#32137768)
This comment is a good example of why popularly-controlled central banks fail within a generation. The lack of understanding is understandable. The insistence on doubling down on it is not.
Re:China mortgage boycott data erased by censors as crisis s... by jollybean on Sunday July 17, 2022 @03:57PM (#32130607)
Mortgage backed securities are mortgages.
Re:China mortgage boycott data erased by censors as crisis s... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday July 17, 2022 @06:23PM (#32132060)
> Mortgage backed securities are mortgages

In the way Sudafed is meth. Agency MBS’s never faced solvency questions. Unrated mortgage-backed securities and whole mortgages did. You are argued the Fed bought toxic crap off banks. It didn’t. It bought the cream of the crop, giving banks liquidity with which to address the rest.

The difference between mortgages and agency MBSs is entry-level finance. You don’t need to know it. But you should understand your circles of competence well enough to know not to debate it.