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Re:Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards by ravel-bar-foo on Saturday July 16, 2022 @09:48AM (#32118051)
Larger unions sometimes hire staff to represent their interests who are do not work in the profession represented: negotiators, lawyers, etc. It sets up a bit of a principle/agent problem, but it also makes a lot of sense: a professional lawyer may be much better at negotiating on your behalf than the people from your profession who win the union elections.
Re:Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards by formerly_proven on Saturday July 16, 2022 @10:01AM (#32118170)
At least in theory unions have the correct incentive structure, as they get a fixed percentage of their member's incomes, so to get more money from their members, they need to negotiate better salaries for them.
Re:Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards by ByteJockey on Saturday July 16, 2022 @10:20AM (#32118399)
It's slightly more complicated in practice. The US has this weird system where you can opt out of full union membership and become what's called an "objector". You opt out of union membership but still pay a portion of dues (those directly around contract negotiation and the like), and you're still covered by the collective bargaining agreement. The downside being that, as you're not a union member, you generally don't get voting rights.

To quote the NLRB's website directly:

> Federal law allows unions and employers to enter into "union-security" agreements which require all employees in a bargaining unit to become union members and begin paying union dues and fees within 30 days of being hired. Employees may choose not to become union members and pay dues, or opt to pay only that share of dues used directly for representation, such as collective bargaining and contract administration. Known as objectors, they are no longer union members, but are still protected by the contract. Unions are obligated to tell all covered employees about this option, which was created by a Supreme Court ruling and is known as the Beck right.

This usually works well enough, but in certain circumstances, you can have a small minority control the entire operation and the vast majority are "represented" by an institution they have no voice in. This seems to be the case in lower paid unions (e.g. grocery baggers) because the majority can't afford the extra dues.

Re:Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards by f7fg_u-_h on Saturday July 16, 2022 @10:22AM (#32118414)
Unions are compensated proportional to N*S where N is number of workers and S is average salary. Workers care about increasing S, but unions sometimes focus on increasing N because it is easier. But then the individual worker doesn't see their life improve.
Re:Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards by mhoad on Saturday July 16, 2022 @10:38AM (#32118583)
N is also the power to negotiate in that equation in order to improve S. Increasing N makes total sense in that scenario.
Re:Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards by gruez on Saturday July 16, 2022 @10:18AM (#32118381)
Except unions aren't for-profit, so it's unclear where those extra money is going to. Senior leadership perhaps? But unions beholden to members, which means there's no "fixed percentage", because that's decided by the members themselves. We can see a parallel in public sector compensation: democratically controlled organizations are very reluctant to spend extra money on compensating leadership (or any other high paying staff, for that matter).
Re:Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards by NovemberWhiskey on Saturday July 16, 2022 @01:41PM (#32120222)
The extra money goes to more union staff and union facilities; lobbying; and grants - overwhelming the former. Also, it's not like non-profits have to balance their budgets every year; the UAW added $60M to its net assets in 2021.