Re:Smart thermostats inadvertently strain electric power grids
by saurik on Thursday July 14, 2022 @03:40PM
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Why would you expect someone who isn't willing to sacrifice their comfort for a $10/mo incentive to sacrifice their comfort for a $0/mo incentive? Deciding "I don't like this person's ethics" doesn't mean "this person is suddenly inconsistent": you need to check your knee-jerk responses :/.
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Re:Smart thermostats inadvertently strain electric power grids
by kennywinker on Thursday July 14, 2022 @04:22PM
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Well, for one thing people will often do for free things they wouldn’t do for money. Imagine choosing between “i will pay you $10 to come to my party” and “i’m having a party, will you come?”.
Re:Smart thermostats inadvertently strain electric power grids
by philwelch on Thursday July 14, 2022 @05:08PM
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Parties are supposed to be fun, so if someone offers to pay you to come to a party, that sends a signal that the party is not, in fact, going to be fun at all--otherwise, why would they pay you?
On the other hand, paper straws are a shitty product that are unsuitable for use, but if I was offered a significant discount on beverages that were served with them...well, I wouldn't take it, but I could imagine someone who was desperately broke considering taking it.
Re:Smart thermostats inadvertently strain electric power grids
by kennywinker on Thursday July 14, 2022 @05:33PM
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See, what you said is exactly the problem i have with mainstream climate solutions. The choice shouldn’t be paper straws vs plastic straws. The choice should be no straws vs straws. Similarly, the question shouldn’t be “can I run a/c slightly off peak” rather it should be “how can I run less a/c”. This applies all over the place. Electric cars have lifetime emissions that are lower, but in the same ballpark as ICE cars - if everyone switches to electric and changes nothing else, we still have climate change.
Re:Smart thermostats inadvertently strain electric power grids
by philwelch on Friday July 15, 2022 @12:29PM
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No, the question should be “how do we produce significant amounts more carbon-neutral energy instead of reducing the standard of living”.
Re:Smart thermostats inadvertently strain electric power grids
by moralestapia on Thursday July 14, 2022 @07:10PM
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It was a sarcastic remark to his/her selfish attitude towards sustainability.
"Sorry, not sorry" multiplied by 1,000,000x and through the decades is what got us (all) in a climate emergency.
Re:Smart thermostats inadvertently strain electric power grids
by evanreichard on Thursday July 14, 2022 @11:05PM
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It certainly helped change my mind on the matter.