Re:Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time
by enriquto on Thursday July 14, 2022 @11:29AM
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> it costs real money and time to build those homes and maintain them.
As a renter of a dangerously unmaintained property, whose owner has never worked because he inherited a bunch of apartments, I can only laugh hysterically at your ridiculously-over-the-top sarcasm.
Re:Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time
by noptd on Thursday July 14, 2022 @12:23PM
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This comes back to scarcity as the root cause. If there were an abundance of alternatives in the same price range, shitty landlords couldn't get away with letting their properties deteriorate to such a condition.
The deadbeat landlord problem would solve itself once we build ourselves out of scarcity.
Re:Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time
by refurb on Thursday July 14, 2022 @01:01PM
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I’m pretty sure neglected maintenance doesn’t prove the OP statement untrue.
Re:Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time
by jmilloy on Thursday July 14, 2022 @11:35AM
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It's easy to agree that property owners provide value, some more than others. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not seeing the big picture. On the other hand, you seem to be ignoring the realities of supply and demand, which can quite simply allow rental costs to increase well above the value that owners provide.
Obviously I don't know, but I suspect you might be seeing a king of survivorship bias. Many people I know were in fact displaced from the place they want to live, including careers and communities they were a part of, due to cost of living. Housing is a big part of that. Are you surrounded by people who can afford it, and perhaps unaware of the people who can't?
Re:Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time
by silverlake on Thursday July 14, 2022 @01:09PM
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Rent has to match supply/demand. If demand goes up, prices go up, some existing tenants are priced out. The only sinister thing in US housing is communities making it difficult to build more. In my corner of NYC one could build housing for thousands of people.
In return property owners (or insurance runners) can get rich off your monthly payments as well as the inherent value of the property (/insurance company), but because of risk of ruin, opportunity cost for other investments and other related phenomena, it can mathematically be a total win-win for both sides.
What everyone complaining about property prices also always seems to forgoe are two things: First, people are clearly able to afford them or the prices wouldn't go higher. The myth that property investors buy homes on mass and don't rent them out which supposedly creates this pricing hike is idiotic. All of these big cities with insane rents have very low vacancy rates compared to the national average.
In almost all of these places where people complain about rent, we are talking about big popular places where everyone wants to go even though there are tons of realistic alternatives all around the country. The situations where it's economically totally necessary for you to move to an expensive place but at the same time you can't afford the rent is so rare as to be virtually non-existent.
Even the idea that people are displaced from their homes is an issue on a smaller scale than people make it out to be. That's because income in those expensive places is much higher than in cheaper places. There are people displaced from their homes, but that's because of poverty and other aspects of gentrification that are not necessarily tied to rent.