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Re:Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time by ricardobeat on Thursday July 14, 2022 @08:23AM (#32095049)
Increasing the supply alone does not counter the gentrification / ghetto effects the parent comment talked about, in fact it might amplify them.

A gross oversimplification, but if you somehow make ten thousand new apartments available in Manhattan at $1k/month, they will eventually fill up with low-income tenants, which will make them undesirable. Pressure on all the existing $5K properties will remain the same.

Re:Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time by runako on Thursday July 14, 2022 @08:46AM (#32095341)
Are you suggesting that people paying $5k are doing that because of some inherent property of a $5k rental, and that they would not prefer to pay the year 2000 rent on the same unit, say $3000?

If people paying $5k would prefer to pay $3k for their units, why would this logic not also apply to people who are currently paying $3k?

If lower rents would make the city become undesirable, why did people want to move there in the year 2000, when rents were much lower?

Re:Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time by pvarangot on Thursday July 14, 2022 @01:22PM (#32098933)
> inherent property of a $5k rental,

The inherent property of a 5k rental he's referring to is that it costs 5k. Most people paying 5k for a studio just _don't want people around their houses_ specially if they are poorer than them. Otherwise they would be paying less than 3k for a room with a shared kitchen and bathroom or renting a bigger place with roommates.

Re:Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time by a_c_s on Thursday July 14, 2022 @08:41AM (#32095278)
Pressure would remain the same just as eating a single grape would not abate a person's hunger: NYC has millions of existing housing units. To make a significant dent in the rent would require building hundreds of thousands of new apartments.
Re:Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time by mattzito on Thursday July 14, 2022 @08:35AM (#32095210)
Why would they fill up with low income tenants? Why would that make it undesirable?
Re:Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time by namelessoracle on Thursday July 14, 2022 @09:08AM (#32095588)
Because low income anywhere (rental area or even just low income suburban areas) typically has a population that is less able to invest into their area (in time or money), and historically has shown that they seek an extractive relationship with their environment rather than invest in it.
Re:Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time by mym1990 on Thursday July 14, 2022 @11:29AM (#32097299)
Haha "extractive relationship" come on man. Poor people aren't vampires, they need to be resourceful in their environment to survive.
Re:Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time by feet on Thursday July 14, 2022 @11:18AM (#32097117)
Are you joking? Poor people are the exploitative ones? That's just entirely false

The entire basis of capitalism in the US is that the work of the poor is exploited by those with the capital to build factories and businesses which extract labor and resources from the poor people

That's why they can't invest. You have it entirely backwards

Re:Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time by jimmaswell on Thursday July 14, 2022 @03:10PM (#32100264)
Exactly. Most of a poor person's income will be spent locally every paycheck. Higher income, more is saved or sent offshore etc
Re:Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time by Aunche on Thursday July 14, 2022 @12:00PM (#32097760)
$1k/month rent isn't exactly low income material. As a high income SWE, I definitely feel like I'm sucking the city dry in a way. I'm not making $8 chopped cheeses. I'm not building parks. I'm not creating art. I'm just a consumer.

Having said that, what's even worse than me is "low income" consumers. A lot of affordable housing, especially HDFC apartments, end up in the hands of the children of the rich. Not only are they not producing anything of value, they're also costing us tax dollars.