Re:Saskatchewan, Ontario to roll out mini-nuclear reactors
by 7952 on Thursday July 14, 2022 @02:54AM
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Even if the experiments succeed that could still be a long way from a plant that is commercially viable.
Re:Saskatchewan, Ontario to roll out mini-nuclear reactors
by adrianN on Thursday July 14, 2022 @03:00AM
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Well, many people argue that _fission_ is not commercially viable without socializing at least some of the cost, and yet we're reading articles about new fission plants. If you think about it, fossil fuels aren't commercially viable either, a large part of the costs (global warming...) are socialized.
Re:Saskatchewan, Ontario to roll out mini-nuclear reactors
by Cryptoclidus on Thursday July 14, 2022 @03:45AM
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Coal, oil and Natural gas recieve 5.9 TRILLION dollars a YEAR according to the IMF. That's a lot of hydro, wind, wave, solar and nuclear power potential.
Fossil fuel companies are parasites.
Re:Saskatchewan, Ontario to roll out mini-nuclear reactors
by Gwypaas on Thursday July 14, 2022 @03:57AM
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The question with fusion I never see answered is: "How do we convert the heat to electricity?"
If the answer is steam then fusion is as dead as coal and nuclear. Or is there some solid state like solar or very non-complex working method like a wind turbine which is the target?
Re:Saskatchewan, Ontario to roll out mini-nuclear reactors
by sushibowl on Thursday July 14, 2022 @04:12AM
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The answer is always steam turbines, because nothing else approaches the practical efficiency of steam turbines when it comes to converting heat to electrical power.
Re:Saskatchewan, Ontario to roll out mini-nuclear reactors
by Gwypaas on Thursday July 14, 2022 @04:17AM
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But that is the thing. Pure steam turbine based power have been dead since the 80's with the advent of the combined cycle gas turbine power plants. You get pure mechanical power from the gas turbine and then a tiny steam side to harness the last efficiency gains.
That cost difference is the reason coal has died out, it's simply not economical to run a large steam turbine.
Re:Saskatchewan, Ontario to roll out mini-nuclear reactors
by adrianN on Thursday July 14, 2022 @04:46AM
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I agree with you in general that it is unlikely that fusion will be cost competitive, but the last time I checked we still got a very large fraction of our power from coal, despite the steam.
Re:Saskatchewan, Ontario to roll out mini-nuclear reactors
by ncmncm on Thursday July 14, 2022 @10:06PM
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Yes, there are financial structural reasons coal is still used. They amount to institutionalized sunk-cost fallacy. Those will take decades to root out.
Re:Saskatchewan, Ontario to roll out mini-nuclear reactors
by lrem on Thursday July 14, 2022 @06:26AM
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Sorry to break it to you, but coal is still the largest electricity source with 36.7%. Over the last 20 years its output went from 5.8PW to 10PW (yes, that's petawatts). So, nowhere near "has died out".
Re:Saskatchewan, Ontario to roll out mini-nuclear reactors
by Gwypaas on Thursday July 14, 2022 @06:56AM
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I should definitely have prefaced it with the caveat regarding availability of natural gas infrastructure. Gas is cheaper, when you have the infrastructure in place. Less developed countries does not have that luxury, and therefore choose coal because it was pretty much the only thing available until the current renewable boom.
Today we also have LNG, but that seems to mostly be about energy independence. Russia can't simply turn off the tap for Lithuania or Poland, because they have a more pricy alternative method of delivery.
For reference see the dramatic decrease of coal in the US in favor of natural gas.
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/electricity/electricity-...
That being said, fusion will come too late to do something about climate change, so we should be building renewables as quickly as we can, and, if we have too much money, perhaps add a bit of nuclear.