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Re:BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in Sout... by dsr_ on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @10:38AM (#32070632)
Implementing it the way it used to be, with a proprietary radio remote, does not require any communications infrastructure support.

99.9% of the time this feature is used to start the car when the driver is within 50 feet. There's no need for it to be relayed through the Internet.

Re:BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in Sout... by seiferteric on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @11:48AM (#32071650)
This is something that bothers me as well, implementation decisions are what drives this a lot. I have a nest thermostat and it seems like the app decides to log me out randomly every once in a while and I have to go through the whole login/2fa process, sometimes in the middle of the night when trying to adjust the temp! There is no need for internet connected thermostat most of the time, I would much prefer Bluetooth with no login needed ever.
Re:BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in Sout... by zasdffaa on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @12:28PM (#32072294)
Why have such a thing ad why tolerate it - I mean get rid of it or tell whoever owns it now to fix it. What is the value of these things?
Re:BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in Sout... by seiferteric on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @01:31PM (#32073220)
it came with the house and I haven't got around to replacing it yet, nor should I have to really.
Re:BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in Sout... by jsight on Thursday July 14, 2022 @04:14PM (#32100924)
I really wish that all thermostats at least had the option for local control. z-wave and other standards for this aren't even new.
Re:BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in Sout... by dotancohen on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @10:56AM (#32070919)
My Tesla Model 3 _can_ remote start the air conditioner via the cellular network, but it can also work via bluetooth if I'm within maybe 20 to 30 meters of the vehicle.
Re:BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in Sout... by jsight on Thursday July 14, 2022 @04:14PM (#32100930)
Of course, Tesla is also more friendly than these others and makes the service free.
Re:BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in Sout... by jsight on Thursday July 14, 2022 @04:13PM (#32100914)
I'm only familiar with the systems where the fob is still just a proprietary remote. It also has a phone app, and that's what costs extra. The fees are too high, but the existence of a fee is sensible.