U.S. News pulls Columbia University from its 2022 rankings

Re:U.S. News pulls Columbia University from its 2022 rankings by lumost on Monday July 11, 2022 @05:14PM (#32061959)

My undergrad was at Umass Amherst, and I currently attend GA Tech's OMSCS program. Professors love sharing info on why they chose to talk about one topic vs. another, and by and large were happy to connect with any student motivated enough to attend an office hours or talk to them after class. I knew same personal information about the professors I worked with in the lab, but I don't generally see how that would improve my learning outcomes.

Class size naturally dropped as you got into niche subjects, of which there were many!

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Re:U.S. News pulls Columbia University from its 2022 rankings by poulsbohemian on Monday July 11, 2022 @05:17PM (#32061995)

What I've heard anecdotal bears out what you are saying, IE: once you get through various mega weed-out classes, in many universities you still get the luxury of smaller class sizes and more direct access to professors as you reach those upper level classes.

Where I was asking for clarification was on the idea that somehow people were getting better materials and a better overall experience in thee 500+ people lecture hall type experiences, rather than those 20-person intimate learning style classes.

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Re:U.S. News pulls Columbia University from its 2022 rankings by lumost on Monday July 11, 2022 @07:42PM (#32063667)

My point was that a large 500 person lecture on "Intro to ElectroMagnetism" will be about the same as a small 20 person lecture in terms of material. The variability will come from

- Honors sessions - Extra seminars - Quality of Material - Quality of student support groups

All of these things get better as the class size grows. In my last class at Georgia Tech, there were 900 students studying a niche topic from a particular professor. Due to class size, there were ~12 TAs and an extremely active slack discussion group where people could get support.

A smaller class just means the professor has limited resources to assist students.

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Re:U.S. News pulls Columbia University from its 2022 rankings by jimhefferon on Monday July 11, 2022 @06:54PM (#32063207)

One factor I don't see anyone mentioning here is the student. Some people can do great in a large lecture and that's great. But I teach in a SLAC and often students tell me they don't think they could do well without the smaller courses.

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