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Re:Growl fork maintainer banned from Growl mailinglist after... by eis on Monday November 07, 2011 @06:41AM (#3205860)
You are right, very good points.

So maybe I was wrong but I dealt with open source earlier than the OSI came up with the definition. What they call "Open Source" is more "Free (as in freedom, libre) Software" to me.

I guess my definition is outdated but I still feel "Open Source" should just mean, well... open source :) What's the difference between "Free Software" and "Open Source" as coined by OSI?

Re:Growl fork maintainer banned from Growl mailinglist after... by salvadors on Monday November 07, 2011 @09:35AM (#3206388)
The FSF are even stronger than the OSI on the point that people must also have the freedom to charge for the software if they want:

  Many people believe that the spirit of the GNU Project 
  is that you should not charge money for distributing 
  copies of software, or that you should charge as little 
  as possible — just enough to cover the cost. This is a
  misunderstanding. Actually, we encourage people who
  redistribute free software to charge as much as they 
  wish or can.
-- http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html
Re:Growl fork maintainer banned from Growl mailinglist after... by cromulent on Monday November 07, 2011 @09:22AM (#3206324)
He's right for values of "open source" defined by the OSI.

However, you need to do more than they have done if you want to clearly and unambiguously define a phrase, especially one that has legal and commercial implications. You need to make everyone in the world agree on the definition and refrain from using it in any other way. That hasn't happened yet, except perhaps for those within the industry.

As Richard Stallman says:

"However, the obvious meaning for the expression “open source software”—and the one most people seem to think it means—is “You can look at the source code.” That criterion is much weaker than the free software definition, much weaker also than the official definition of open source. It includes many programs that are neither free nor open source."

"The term “open source” has been further stretched by its application to other activities, such as government, education, and science, where there is no such thing as source code, and where criteria for software licensing are simply not pertinent. The only thing these activities have in common is that they somehow invite people to participate. They stretch the term so far that it only means “participatory”."

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.h...

If he doesn't agree with the OSI definition, I think that we can agree that it is not universally accepted.

Re:Growl fork maintainer banned from Growl mailinglist after... by jbellis on Monday November 07, 2011 @07:44AM (#3206038)
Microsoft came up with the term "shared source" to describe "you can look at the source but you have no rights to modify or redistribute it."
Re:Growl fork maintainer banned from Growl mailinglist after... by dalke on Monday November 07, 2011 @07:29AM (#3205988)
Re:Growl fork maintainer banned from Growl mailinglist after... by mapleoin on Monday November 07, 2011 @07:05AM (#3205923)
APL/MIT/BSD/GPL are open source. GPL is the only free software though.
Re:Growl fork maintainer banned from Growl mailinglist after... by archangel_one on Monday November 07, 2011 @07:32AM (#3205998)
This is not the case. GPL is the only strong copyleft license of those, but they are all free software licenses according to the FSF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FSF_approved_software_l...).
Re:Growl fork maintainer banned from Growl mailinglist after... by inimino on Monday November 07, 2011 @07:33AM (#3206005)
Actually, free software as defined by the FSF is any software licensed such that you can use it, modify the source, redistribute it, and redistribute changed copies of it.

See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html and the (long) list of free software licenses http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html

Re:Growl fork maintainer banned from Growl mailinglist after... by stonemetal on Monday November 07, 2011 @09:21AM (#3206314)
There isn't one. The only difference is who's ego you stroke ESR(Open Source), or RMS(Free Software).

From the history of the OSI:

The conferees decided it was time to dump the moralizing and confrontational attitude that had been associated with "free software" in the past and sell the idea strictly on the same pragmatic, business-case grounds that had motivated Netscape.

The only difference is marketing not substance.