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Re:Lenovo shipping new laptops that only boot Windows by def... by peoplefromibiza on Friday July 08, 2022 @06:05AM (#32025056)
> The default for years was to boot from external storage, when the internal is not bootable

Not on my computers for the past 20 years.

If the default is not bootable a “no bootable device found” message appears.

computers should never automatically boot from external storage, unless the user wants to.

Re:Lenovo shipping new laptops that only boot Windows by def... by vetinari on Friday July 08, 2022 @06:15AM (#32025134)
For devices that I've bought in the last ~10 years (i.e. coming with UEFI, between Thinkpad T430s in 2012 and NUC11 few weeks ago), the default was:

- try to boot the internal devices

- then try external (some even distinguish optical and key fobs)

- then try PXE

and only when all of these fail, message the user "no bootable device found".

Re:Lenovo shipping new laptops that only boot Windows by def... by peoplefromibiza on Friday July 08, 2022 @06:25AM (#32025216)
I remember some desktop computers did, but it was when external boot devices where CD-ROM

And even then this message appeared

Press any key to boot from CD...

https://i.imgur.com/VyZOuob.png

Re:Lenovo shipping new laptops that only boot Windows by def... by ciupicri on Friday July 08, 2022 @07:46AM (#32025879)
That's a message from the Windows installer. Normally you would have to remove the optical disc after the files are copied or change the boot order/devices when the first stage of the installation ends and the computer is rebooted. With this trick, you don't have to do anything.
Re:Lenovo shipping new laptops that only boot Windows by def... by vetinari on Friday July 08, 2022 @06:30AM (#32025258)
It is legacy boot, not UEFI. And I vaguely remember that this message came from the boot loader on the CD, of all places. It was a convenience for the user, who forgot the CD in the drive.
Re:Lenovo shipping new laptops that only boot Windows by def... by peoplefromibiza on Friday July 08, 2022 @06:37AM (#32025301)
> It was a convenience for the user, who forgot the CD in the drive.

because computers should never automatically boot from external or removable storage

that's why a more modern version of the same message exists

https://i.imgur.com/JVW8c7b.png

Re:Lenovo shipping new laptops that only boot Windows by def... by vetinari on Friday July 08, 2022 @06:47AM (#32025387)
This is what I'm getting: https://imgur.com/a/C7NNXCr

It won't boot from USB if the internal drive boots, or unless I manually change boot order.

Re:Lenovo shipping new laptops that only boot Windows by def... by Lukineus on Friday July 08, 2022 @06:44AM (#32025354)
A former work computer of mine (a Lenovo, too!) wouldn't boot one day. After some time trying to figure out the issue I discovered I'd left a (non-bootable) USB drive attached to the machine. Removed the drive and it booted fine.

Having said all that, this comment is all anecdotal, much like yours.