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Re:Lenovo shipping new laptops that only boot Windows by def... by peoplefromibiza on Friday July 08, 2022 @06:04AM (#32025050)
> And how do you trust and inspect that the Windows you got installed when bought the laptop is genuine without any modifications anyways?

Lenovo does that for you

They are legally responsible.

> The ubuntu usb key you are booting is safer than what you already got installed...

Have you read my post?

I use Linux, I'm writing from Debian, on a Lenovo laptop.

It took 10 seconds to allow Linux to boot.

Re:Lenovo shipping new laptops that only boot Windows by def... by vetinari on Friday July 08, 2022 @06:16AM (#32025142)
> I use Linux, I'm writing from Debian, on a Lenovo laptop. > It took 10 seconds to allow Linux to boot.

On this specific Z13? Or other model, which wasn't "improved" yet?

Re:Lenovo shipping new laptops that only boot Windows by def... by peoplefromibiza on Friday July 08, 2022 @06:19AM (#32025174)
it's simply a matter of disabling secure boot.

10 seconds at most.

no need for being sarcastic.

Re:Lenovo shipping new laptops that only boot Windows by def... by vetinari on Friday July 08, 2022 @06:28AM (#32025241)
And that's exactly the wrong solution.

I do want to use secure boot and TPM2 (I do, currently). Just not with windows. Why should be secure boot windows exclusive feature? Until now, it wasn't.

There was no sarcasm.

Re:Lenovo shipping new laptops that only boot Windows by def... by peoplefromibiza on Friday July 08, 2022 @06:34AM (#32025276)
> And that's exactly the wrong solution.

it's a solution

it's only a matter of choice, there's no wrong choice, choices are personal.

You're complaining about something that's very easy to overcome.

> I do want to use secure boot and TPM2 (I do, currently). Just not with windows

You can.

just disable device guard.

> Why should be secure boot windows exclusive feature?

you are angry about the wrong thing

device guard and secure boot are different things, related, but different.

Re:Lenovo shipping new laptops that only boot Windows by def... by vetinari on Friday July 08, 2022 @06:51AM (#32025417)
It is not a solution, it is a bad workaround.

> device guard and secure boot are different things, related, but different.

The problem is that it can have potentially catastrophic impact. If the user enabled Bitlocker, and didn't save recovery key (it will happen for mainstream users), he can lose his windows drive when he tries linux.

As I wrote above, another extra-hop for those who would like to go off the beaten windows path.

Re:Lenovo shipping new laptops that only boot Windows by def... by peoplefromibiza on Friday July 08, 2022 @06:57AM (#32025472)
> It is not a solution, it is a bad workaround.

it's a configuration option.

it's a bad workaround for you.

I disagree.

> If the user enabled Bitlocker, and didn't save recovery key

then the user is responsible of being incautious.

case closed.

Re:Lenovo shipping new laptops that only boot Windows by def... by vetinari on Saturday July 09, 2022 @07:08AM (#32033885)
> then the user is responsible of being incautious.

Congratulation, you just invalidated the entire raison d'etre of both Secure Boot and this new Device Guard.