...and Chelsea Manning, and Julian Assange, and Mark Klein, and Leslie Cauley, and Russ Tice, and Clare Short, and[0][1]...

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_surveillance_disclosure...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_surveillance_disclosure...

Are you ironically linking government websites for satire purposes?

Or what?

You can’t possibly take Wikipedia seriously as a source of information on controversial figures. That would be the least charitable interpretation and violate HN rules

Nah, it leaks. Besides the big leaks like Chelsea Manning, there are constant small leaks: things like anonymous sources to the papers, and via Congressmembers (who collectively leak like a sieve). A lot of that is intentional.

What’s the leak ratio? How many people go to work for the NSA/FBI/ATF every day? What percentage of them leak?

Why leak it more than once, though? At this point, the facts are already well-established. It's just that we as a society apparently just don't care enough to hold our rulers accountable (with torches and pitchforks if necessary).

>people already know

Do they, though? Most people don’t know shit outside their preferred news channel.

Zoomers are faithfully recreating the boomer flaw via moderation so they have a nicely curated injection of sludge

I think the perspective the people involved have matters a lot. If you just view what you're doing as your normal job, you don't even need to lie about what's going on, you just don't even talk about it because it's a mundane detail. When you conspire to do something everyone involved knows is illegal and wrong, your guilt weighs more heavily and you start slipping.

This. You clock in and clock out doing evil shit all day.

Your mortgage backed by Americorp indirectly backed by the fed depends on you being a good goy and so what? You keep doing it to pay the bills.