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Re:PulseAudio and Systemd Creator, Lennart Poettering, Repor... by eternityforest on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @05:32PM (#31993994)
I don't see any real evidence people hate their work. Some people do, but it's not like, an overflowing toilet or wet socks that almost everyone hates.

I personally wouldn't touch a non-systemd system if I didn't have to.

The thing they did to piss people off was breaking with UNIX tradition and not prioritizing simplicity. This makes them hated by enthusiasts, tinkerers, people who don't trust tech, etc, and loved or just passively ignored by corporate sysadmins, non-hobbyist everyday desktop users, general devs just trying to make modern software, etc.

It's kind of an unsolvable conflict. People who want simplicity are looking for something very different from people who want everything to just work and never require looking under the hood.

Re:PulseAudio and Systemd Creator, Lennart Poettering, Repor... by corrral on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @06:54PM (#31994738)
I'm actually strongly in favor of someone coming in and replacing a bunch of the bike-shedding horseshit in Linux with some "no, it's this way, period, live with it" if only to make distributing software for Linux less crazy-making.

I just think Poettering's (and, more generally, Red Hat's) taste is really bad, so I wish it weren't him(/them). Possibly when they finally achieve Systemd/Linux and the entire stack atop the kernel is stuff Red Hat likes & directs it'll all be worth it, I dunno.

FWIW I also haven't much cared for a lot of Ubuntu's attempts to steer the direction of Linux—they've just lost so badly at every attempt, that it hardly matters.

Re:PulseAudio and Systemd Creator, Lennart Poettering, Repor... by eternityforest on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @07:34PM (#31995052)
Ubuntu is wonderful as long as they don't do a anything new, and you're using a derivative not raw Ubuntu.

I'm actually not even fully sure on the details what they even do that isn't in Debian aside from maybe some driver stuff and assorted annoyances like Snaps. I just know to stick with Ubuntu derivatives because almost all large popular apps seem to be well tested and designed to work on it, until the community gets tired of it and probably Fedora or something takes over.

It's the perfect example of "I'd rather have a mediocre standard than something excellent but obscure".

I'm not a fan of Pulse, because of its lack of low latency, although It still offers a lot over raw ALSA, and PipeWire solves basically all of it's issues.

But systemd is a lot more comprehensive, it doesn't seem to leave any use cases out, aside from ultralight embedded and old school "Control everything yourself with imperative scripting" style setups.