Re:Toyota’s Chief Says Electric Vehicles Are Overhyped (2020)
by protomyth on Monday July 04, 2022 @11:46PM
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I honestly believe that Toyota and Honda have done their analysis in good faith and believe fully electric isn't the correct solution. They could be wrong or right, but I think they gone by it honestly. You don't push hydrogen this long without reason.
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Re:Toyota’s Chief Says Electric Vehicles Are Overhyped (2020)
by dehrmann on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @12:29AM
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But Ford decided to build electric F-150s? I don't actually doubt that the research was done in good faith, but I also think internal biases also played into it.
Re:Toyota’s Chief Says Electric Vehicles Are Overhyped (2020)
by petre on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @12:26AM
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The Japanese quite conservative and usually for good reasons. Move fast and break things and fail often isn't in their playbook.
Re:Toyota’s Chief Says Electric Vehicles Are Overhyped (2020)
by snek_case on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @12:36AM
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The problem is that hydrogen makes no sense. Most of the hydrogen that we have is produced from fossil fuels, and we have no hydrogen distribution infrastructure.
You could argue that electric vehicles are the most conservative solution because we already have a national power grid, and there's a fairly clear path towards producing green electricity.
Re:Toyota’s Chief Says Electric Vehicles Are Overhyped (2020)
by petre on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @01:36AM
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Looking at EVs for personal transport only is short sighted. There are already alternatives, at least in the EU and Asia: trains and e-bikes.
https://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/energy-and...
Re:Toyota’s Chief Says Electric Vehicles Are Overhyped (2020)
by breadloaf on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @06:50AM
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eBike = how to expose yourself to elements and then get instantly killed because you didn't see red light.
Re:Toyota’s Chief Says Electric Vehicles Are Overhyped (2020)
by petre on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @11:47AM
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The other option is to sit forever in traffic jams, at least in Paris where they converted parking lanes to bicycle infrastructure.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-22/how-paris...
Re:Toyota’s Chief Says Electric Vehicles Are Overhyped (2020)
by mertd on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @12:05AM
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It's institutional inertia. They are the kings of the ICE world. They are biased against preserving the status quo.
Re:Toyota’s Chief Says Electric Vehicles Are Overhyped (2020)
by flurie on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @12:54AM
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It also seems to be a common misconception that hybrids are a logical intermediary step between ICE and EV, and this is made more confusing by cars like the original Hyundai Ioniq that came in hybrid, plug-in hybrid, and fully electric versions. So I wouldn't be surprised if Toyota's lack of interest appeared to be contrarian when it was the opposite.
Re:Toyota’s Chief Says Electric Vehicles Are Overhyped (2020)
by germinalphrase on Monday July 04, 2022 @11:55PM
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Is storage the primary concern with hydrogen?
Re:Toyota’s Chief Says Electric Vehicles Are Overhyped (2020)
by KMnO4 on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @12:20AM
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Storage in the cars? No. But the infrastructure is lacking. Many people who own a Toyota Mirai (hydrogen) refill it at their Toyota dealership (far less convenient than the electrical grid) and are limited to around 80% fuel capacity (since you need 10,000 PSI to fully fill the tanks).
Re:Toyota’s Chief Says Electric Vehicles Are Overhyped (2020)
by protomyth on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @08:36AM
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I get the feeling that they want to go the way Airbus is looking like it's going to go with airplanes. Plug in containers that would be like propane tanks in the US. Not sure how practical, but it does cut down on some problems.
Re:Toyota’s Chief Says Electric Vehicles Are Overhyped (2020)
by joatmon-snoo on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @12:05AM
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Distribution is also a big issue now: EV chargers have a much bigger ecosystem around them than hydrogen fuel stations.
Re:Toyota’s Chief Says Electric Vehicles Are Overhyped (2020)
by flurie on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @12:19AM
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My understanding is that hydrogen has a much brighter future in commercial vehicles where fueling station logistics can be much more deliberately planned. I know Toyota does commercial vehicle sales, but I don't know what their hydrogen fuel cell commercial fleet development looks like.