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Re:Delayed Messages on iOS by jws on Monday July 04, 2022 @06:49PM (#31982500)
This is a frequent disconnect.

It really depends on the scale of the business. In some large ones, there is always a person working to handle “must be fixed now” problems. If you are off shift, then it is the person on shift’s task.

In smaller operations with 24 hour operation, and infrequent “must be fixed now” problems, there will be workers whose job includes being on call. Sometimes the on call duty rotates, sometimes it does not.

So if you are from a land of large companies, it may seem insane for your employer to ask something of you outside your shift. Likewise, when you are a little guy scrambling to grow, getting out of bed once in a while and handling a problem to preserve that growth is your best option.

In the situation in this post, I would hope that the critical “get up and fix this” messages come through a different system, or have a way to cut through a “do not disturb” so the employees can mute the mundane messages.

It sounds like you are in the first group. My company didn’t staff 24 hours, but used to pay people extra when they were the “get up and handle this” person. The size of the pay, and the frequency of the events was tuned so there was always a willing pool of people queueing to be the pager carrier.

Re:Delayed Messages on iOS by workingon on Monday July 04, 2022 @10:01PM (#31983525)
That’s not their point. Their point is they have to get your useless notifications at 3 am and check them even when they aren’t urgent because you can’t know which is which until you read it. Stop texting people at 3 am unless it is urgent.
Re:Delayed Messages on iOS by philsnow on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @03:22AM (#31985335)
> In the situation in this post, I would hope that the critical “get up and fix this” messages come through a different system

If PagerDuty goes "ding" at 3am, it's probably best to take a look.

If Slack goes "ding" at 3am, maybe you forgot to turn off notifications or something, but by no means do you need to even read the notification.

Re:Delayed Messages on iOS by judge2020 on Monday July 04, 2022 @10:00PM (#31983522)
> but used to pay people extra when they were the “get up and handle this” person.

When they were the person on-call, or only when they actually responded to an outage? Unless outages are really that infrequent, it pays to set clear boundaries on when and who is supposed to be available for an outage, and the cost of a dedicated solution like Pagerduty (or Grafana OnCall) is negligible.

Re:Delayed Messages on iOS by jws on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @12:16AM (#31984252)
They were salaried engineers paid to carry, not for the calls. The people carrying were capable of initiating remedial action and of knowing which engineer to call if it really needed midnight engineering. We outsourced the simple triage by having pagers and the customer’s level 1 and level 2 teams had instructions for which pager to call.
Re:Delayed Messages on iOS by WastingMyTime89 on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @10:10AM (#31988381)
It’s normal and expected to get paid to be on call even if you don’t have to get up. You have to schedule your life around the fact you might be interrupted. That’s worth money.
Re:Delayed Messages on iOS by judge2020 on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @10:25AM (#31988536)
As said in the reply from 10 hours ago, these were alaried engineers "paid to carry", so you're right, but it's not hard to imagine a company having an on-call rotation for such pager without any extra pay.
Re:Delayed Messages on iOS by WastingMyTime89 on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @10:32AM (#31988633)
> it's not hard to imagine a company having an on-call rotation for such pager without any extra pay.

I imagine it’s possible but that seems like a terrible idea. Making the compensation for being on-call obvious seems better for everyone involved. At least the one who might have to get up on Christmas know exactly what they are getting out of it and that no one is taking advantage of them in the rotation.