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Re:The crypto crisis has created an advertising vacuum by Retric on Monday July 04, 2022 @02:46PM (#31980497)
What’s interesting about this crash is prices are still so high. Bitcoin is close to 20,000$ right now. So there are still huge paper losses, but I doubt that many bought in at just 20+k.

It’s odd to look prices dropping to 1/3 and think thing things could get a lot worse or it could turn into just another blip on a larger upwards trajectory.

Re:The crypto crisis has created an advertising vacuum by pavlov on Monday July 04, 2022 @03:02PM (#31980620)
A ton of people bought Bitcoin at >$20k. It reached that milestone even before Elon Musk started promoting it about 18 months ago, and that's when the hype really started.

I suspect that most retail Bitcoin holders bought it last year and are down 30-70%. The people who post on HN are very much outliers, having known about Bitcoin for a decade. The real retail volume in 2021 came from relatively uninformed people buying their first crypto.

Also, there are the publicly listed corporate whales. Tesla has 42,000 Bitcoins bought at an average price of $31,620. MicroStrategy has over 130,000 Bitcoins bought at an average price around $30k as well.

Public company accounting standards require these companies to mark down their crypto holdings regularly, so it seems that Tesla will be booking a roughly $420M loss for the past quarter, and MSTR has lost a whopping $1.3 billion. (I'm sure Musk appreciates that the loss is close to 420 though, even if Tesla shareholders don't.)

Re:The crypto crisis has created an advertising vacuum by mdm12 on Monday July 04, 2022 @03:18PM (#31980734)
Apparently, the average investor's position for BTC in Coinbase is around 21k, per some Mizuho survey: https://www.investing.com/news/stock-market-news/survey-show.... So, many folks are underwater on their so-called 'investment'.
Re:The crypto crisis has created an advertising vacuum by Retric on Monday July 04, 2022 @03:31PM (#31980837)
Average is generally a poor way of approximating monetary distributions. If 6 people buy in at 15k and 1 person buys in at 60k they average to 21.5k.

That said, clearly a lot of people are underwater.

Re:The crypto crisis has created an advertising vacuum by mdm12 on Monday July 04, 2022 @03:49PM (#31981039)
It was the only data point I could find, but fair point. I amended my comment for pedantic's sake :)
Re:The crypto crisis has created an advertising vacuum by Victerius on Monday July 04, 2022 @02:50PM (#31980520)
One bitcoin could be worth $20 or $200 000 in one year.

Which is just one of the reasons why it's a bad store of value or medium of exchange.

Re:The crypto crisis has created an advertising vacuum by jquery on Monday July 04, 2022 @03:21PM (#31980765)
To be fair, that property made it great for people selling get-rich-quick scams and the people falling for them. A few people did get rich, pay no attention to the vast majority who lost money.
Re:The crypto crisis has created an advertising vacuum by rsynnott on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @07:10AM (#31986766)
> So there are still huge paper losses, but I doubt that many bought in at just 20+k.

I mean, ~everyone who believed the crypto ads that the article is about did, for a start.

I would assume it's far from done unravelling yet, though. Another dubious crypto HYIP seems to go under every few days at the moment.