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Re:Ask HN: Can competitors catch up to Apple Silicon? by modeless on Monday July 04, 2022 @01:43PM (#31979824)
Top end performance is power limited, so optimizing for performance per watt is almost the same thing as optimizing for performance.
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Re:Ask HN: Can competitors catch up to Apple Silicon? by throw34 on Monday July 04, 2022 @02:20PM (#31980243)
I’m not sure what point you’re arguing anymore.

I’m arguing against this statement. I don’t think it’s true.

“ You're looking in the wrong place. The magic comes from TSMC, not Apple.”

My point is a good process is necessary but not sufficient to make a part competitive with Apple on performance per watt. There’s a lot of “magic” to go around.

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Re:Ask HN: Can competitors catch up to Apple Silicon? by xyzzy_plugh on Monday July 04, 2022 @03:19PM (#31980745)
I think the argument is that Apple would have significantly less magic were it not for TSMC, which seems to be correct regardless of process or design (vertical integration).
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Re:Ask HN: Can competitors catch up to Apple Silicon? by fomine3 on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @12:28AM (#31984314)
Yes. Now every computers tend to be power limited (or say heat limited).
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