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Re:In defence of garlic in a jar by mlyle on Friday July 01, 2022 @03:11PM (#31951263)
> But as I said, I'm not buying that it's somehow "ableist," in that I'm sure that most folks don't know (or care, for that matter) that the author of TFA has a physical issue that limits what she can do.

Well, you know, it's both.

We should be tolerant and more welcoming of other peoples' choices that don't affect us.

And sometimes we're being even worse-- being a real asshole because other people aren't able to make the choices we're sneering at them for-- because of reasons of ability, or economics, or what's possible in the place they live, etc.

When we are ready to form snap judgments of people for what appears to be their preference, we may actually be judging them for ability or economics or location or cultural background. We may be judging them for something they have little ability to control.

> Don't like pre-minced garlic? Don't use it.

There's a million things you can do to make food better. Yes, fresh ingredients are better, hand-prepared with no wait, etc.

But unless you are spending all day and oodles of money making a Michelin-class meal, you're making some tradeoffs-- tradeoffs of cost, time, effort, learned skills. And you can still make a fantastic meal that's much better than what people typically eat with pre-minced garlic and shredded commodity cheese.

But it's pretty easy for us to collectively turn judgey on small specific things.

Re:In defence of garlic in a jar by nobody9999 on Friday July 01, 2022 @03:22PM (#31951429)
>But it's pretty easy for us to collectively turn judgey on small specific things

That was the entire point I was trying to make. That, and that doing so is douchebaggery.

As to the ableist bit, it's not (as I explicitly stated) that ableism isn't a nasty thing -- it is -- but that those who engage in the activity discussed in TFA aren't specifically being ableist, they're just being douchebags and are insulting and nasty not because of ableism, but because they're assholes.

Re:In defence of garlic in a jar by mlyle on Friday July 01, 2022 @03:45PM (#31951745)
I guess what I'm trying to clarify is: one may think they're just making a value judgment about someone's choices, but they very easily can be actually also judging based on shortfalls in ability or income... or different backgrounds, location, culture, etc.

I agree judging based on peoples' superficial choices isn't great. But I think judging people based on things they can't change or that are close to intrinsic is even worse.

Re:In defence of garlic in a jar by nobody9999 on Friday July 01, 2022 @03:52PM (#31951872)
>I agree judging based on peoples' superficial choices isn't great. But I think judging people based on things they can't change or that are close to intrinsic is even worse.

An excellent point. And I agree.

That said, I didn't distinguish between those types of "judgement," because they're both dick moves.