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Re:A new carbon capture plant will pull 36k tons of CO2 from... by landemva on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @06:46PM (#31926625)
Rather than a broad tax that hurts the poor, maybe your effort could go toward taxing specific indoor growers who burn gas to generate CO2 to get more growth from their MJ plants.
Re:A new carbon capture plant will pull 36k tons of CO2 from... by NortySpock on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @06:56PM (#31926724)
It would be simpler to write broad legislation to (a) tax all CO2 sources and then (b) give the tax revenue back to the people, similar to the child tax credit.

Call it the "American Carbon Dividend" or the "Advancing America Dividend".

Re:A new carbon capture plant will pull 36k tons of CO2 from... by ncmncm on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @07:58PM (#31927211)
Done quickly enough, it might be enough to keep Congress from falling back under control of the insurrectionists, come mid-terms.
Re:A new carbon capture plant will pull 36k tons of CO2 from... by Gigachad on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @06:54PM (#31926700)
Use the tax to offset the other taxes at lower income levels. It should be profit neutral for the government.
Re:A new carbon capture plant will pull 36k tons of CO2 from... by hedora on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @09:21PM (#31927718)
The tax will probably need to go to carbon capture at this point.
Re:A new carbon capture plant will pull 36k tons of CO2 from... by Ericson2314 on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @07:16PM (#31926917)
"Carbon dividend" makes Carbon Tax progressive.
Re:A new carbon capture plant will pull 36k tons of CO2 from... by thrown_22 on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @07:32PM (#31927041)
Poor people are exactly who will be hurt by a move away from fossil fuels. The problem isn't that someone is burning fossil fuels, it's that everyone is.
Re:A new carbon capture plant will pull 36k tons of CO2 from... by pessimizer on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @06:54PM (#31926697)
Or instead of going after pot growers, maybe your effort could go towards making my neighbor stop BBQing every weekend?
Re:A new carbon capture plant will pull 36k tons of CO2 from... by dijonman2 on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @06:57PM (#31926739)
Your neighbor has the right to BBQ, there’s a point where we need to live our lives and stop advocating for denial of comfort.
Re:A new carbon capture plant will pull 36k tons of CO2 from... by saalweachter on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @07:09PM (#31926868)
I mean, a $15/tonne carbon(dioxide) tax would raise the cost of a 20lb bag of charcoal by $0.50, or about 3% based on a quick search. So the BBQing itself is probably not prohibitively expensive.

The price of the beef burgers would go up by 7% according to Beef Magazine, 150% according to vegnews.com, and 40% according to NY Times.

Re:A new carbon capture plant will pull 36k tons of CO2 from... by bryanlarsen on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @07:22PM (#31926961)
Charcoal is carbon neutral, it's simply releasing the CO2 absorbed from the atmosphere by the trees that made the charcoal. So there shouldn't be a carbon tax on charcoal.
Re:A new carbon capture plant will pull 36k tons of CO2 from... by gumby on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @07:47PM (#31927143)
The production of charcoal itself emits a lot of CO2
Re:A new carbon capture plant will pull 36k tons of CO2 from... by hedora on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @09:20PM (#31927709)
Source? Isn't it basically the same process as biochar, which has been proposed as a carbon capture technology (the idea being that you bury the resulting charcoal instead of burning it)?
Re:A new carbon capture plant will pull 36k tons of CO2 from... by gumby on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @09:52PM (#31927911)
Yes, as far as I can tell the footprint of pyrolysis portion is basically the same (various wild seeming claims notwithstanding) though I haven't dug into this deeply, and specifically haven't looked into it in over a decade.

However on a full cycle basis the difference is biochar is typically made from local material (mostly the leftover waste from the prior year's harvest) which is right there (zero transport) and would otherwise rot and release methane and CO2 on its own, even if plowed into the field.

Charcoal is made from trees, typically cut down and transported to a factory and then transported to the customer.

In general I am not in favor of burning trees, enjoyable as it is on a cold night out in the forest.

Re:A new carbon capture plant will pull 36k tons of CO2 from... by dane-pgp on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @07:14PM (#31926904)
For context, here's a news article from March of this year:

"The biggest food price hikes are in meats, with pork and beef up 14% to 20% compared with a year ago."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/meat-prices-pandemic-inflation-...

Re:A new carbon capture plant will pull 36k tons of CO2 from... by tito on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @07:02PM (#31926803)
This is an interesting point but I can't see any way that we create a sustainable system that works like this. Carbon dioxide is an unaccounted part of the system. Inevitably, whether it's now or in 1,000 years, a functional society will need to account for these kinds of externalities.

"The bill for magical thinking arrives with unpredictable timing but thunderous force." -pmarca

Re:A new carbon capture plant will pull 36k tons of CO2 from... by pessimizer on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @07:06PM (#31926840)
> Your neighbor has the right to BBQ

Not constitutionally. I demand that people stop advocating for general solutions and instead focus their action on my petty personal grievances for a marginal return.

Re:A new carbon capture plant will pull 36k tons of CO2 from... by landemva on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @09:50PM (#31927896)
Well, yes, the federal constitution provides no rights including to bbq. It is a negative document which details restrictions on government.
Re:A new carbon capture plant will pull 36k tons of CO2 from... by unethical_ban on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @07:36PM (#31927075)
That's a big woosh right there. The parent was making a an arbitrary comparison to another arbitrary and trolling comment regarding indoor plant cultivation.