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Re:Mastercard and visa are the de facto regulators of porn by makeitdouble on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @06:01PM (#31913631)
I am coming to the conclusion that we’re in the current situation by design.

A bunch of powerful people feel some stuff should be punished, but they can’t make it illegal. So they’ll stay in good term with de facto gate keepers and nudge them in their direction.

In the article it’s some billionaire, but ruling parties are probably doing the same extensively: instead of making the controversial decisions themselves, go through all the paperwork and get all the backlash, they’ll have a private entity deal with 95% of the problem (the industry “self-regulating”) and call it a day.

A pettier exemple than money transactions: there’s no reason smartphones shouldn’t be able to record calls out of the box (using it within legal boundaries should be on the user) but phone makers will self-block that behavior with no specific interest on their side.

Re:Mastercard and visa are the de facto regulators of porn by nimbius on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @10:38PM (#31915838)
I'm the exact opposite. this is regulatory automation gone haywire because one bad thing happened in the past.

for example: I work in a repair shop and I know I can buy absolutely zero bottles of acetylene on the company card because visa will flag it every time. they report it to the atf and you get a lovely visit...

but propylene? just as dangerous and flammable but i can buy it by the ton. we literally swapped out all our equipment for hot work cutting because visa.

Re:Mastercard and visa are the de facto regulators of porn by jjeaff on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @04:43AM (#31917792)
Unless the name of the company is Acetylene R Us or something, I don't see how visa is finding out. And if visa is somehow finding out what you buy, how is the company selling it not telling it's customers and warning them they can't pay with visa?
Re:Mastercard and visa are the de facto regulators of porn by towaway15463 on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @04:56AM (#31917837)
How does any welding shop deal with this? Or does it only apply to newcomers and old shops are grandfathered in?
Re:Mastercard and visa are the de facto regulators of porn by makeitdouble on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @12:18AM (#31916453)
If it happens only on Visa, is it regulatory ?

I'd expect that to be Visa covering their butt in advance to not even have to think about it ...

Re:Mastercard and visa are the de facto regulators of porn by ravel-bar-foo on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @06:26PM (#31913887)
> there’s no reason smartphones shouldn’t be able to record calls out of the box (using it within legal boundaries should be on the user) but phone makers will self-block that behavior with no specific interest on their side.

Which smartphones block call recording? Every brandname Android I have had enables this feature for voice calls. (Although the feature is missing for app calls, and I'm now at least 5 years behind the newest phones.)

Re:Mastercard and visa are the de facto regulators of porn by GekkePrutser on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @06:30PM (#31913928)
> Which smartphones block call recording? Every brandname Android I have had enables this feature for voice calls. (Although the feature is missing for app calls, and I'm now at least 5 years behind the newest phones.)

This explains a lot because this is a more recent development. https://www.pcmag.com/news/google-is-banning-call-recording-...

As the article says it was blocked a couple years ago but there was still a loophole which is now being closed as well. Though it's by blocking apps using it from the play store which can still be avoided by sideloading so technically there still is a loophole :) But it's definitely seeing more and more restrictions.

Re:Mastercard and visa are the de facto regulators of porn by viceroyalbean on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @07:22PM (#31914394)
In some cases there might be local laws involved. If you buy a Samsung (or LG, but they don't make phones anymore) in Korea it will come with call recording available.
Re:Mastercard and visa are the de facto regulators of porn by makeitdouble on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @10:11PM (#31915666)
Might be, though all places I went had services stating upfront they record the call, so recording in itself wasn't illegal.
Re:Mastercard and visa are the de facto regulators of porn by Mindwipe on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @09:01AM (#31919526)
The main issue is that neither Google nor Samsung seem to understand European law on this point - it is blocked by both of them in Europe, presumably because of GDPR, but any lawyer who claims that GDPR prevents an individual for recording their own phone calls locally for personal use would get laughed out of the room.

Except at Google and Samsung apparently. And there's no way to contest this decision for users, query it or even get a straight answer out of either company on it.

Re:Mastercard and visa are the de facto regulators of porn by Nextgrid on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @06:51AM (#31918484)
> Which smartphones block call recording?

iOS?

I'm not sure of the current state of Android but back in the early days this feature also wasn't there (there were tons of apps that claim to do it but they all exploited some device-specific quirk and wouldn't work universally) despite the hardware being capable of doing this from day 1.

The reason call recording is shunned is that tons of scummy companies would suddenly end up in trouble if call recording becomes widespread and accessible to anyone.

Re:Mastercard and visa are the de facto regulators of porn by voakbasda on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @11:03AM (#31921162)
Not just scummy companies…. Politicians, cops, judges, bureaucrats, managers, bankers, and so on. Corruption is endemic in our world, and these laws are there to protect that status quo.
Re:Mastercard and visa are the de facto regulators of porn by ormaaj on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @09:17PM (#31915320)
It might have something to do with the high fidelity voice calling having a reasonably large bandwidth that you could theoretically use as a data channel - many times larger than an old v.92 modem. Maybe that's not so relevant these days with more people having unlimited data plans.
Re:Mastercard and visa are the de facto regulators of porn by eru on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @12:07AM (#31916396)
Why would the phone manufacturer care?

(And in any case, as you suggest most people pay more per bit transmitted on a mobile voice call than they pay per bit as data.)

Purely for fun, it would be interesting to hack up two smart phones to transmit data over a voice call. Presumably, you can keep everything binary, if you control the end-points.

Re:Mastercard and visa are the de facto regulators of porn by kevin_thibedeau on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @12:48AM (#31916602)
That's how SMS works. It's running a baseband modem over the voice channel.
Re:Mastercard and visa are the de facto regulators of porn by lxgr on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @01:25AM (#31916772)
SMS is transmitted over digital signaling or transport channels. There was never any analog coding involved (except for a few retrofitted implementations on landlines in Europe).
Re:Mastercard and visa are the de facto regulators of porn by lxgr on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @01:27AM (#31916788)
That would give you a 128 kbit/s channel under absolute ideal conditions (the maximum bandwidth supported by the EVS codec).

Practically, you‘d be better off using a throttled (after exceeding the included data volume) native data connection.

Re:Mastercard and visa are the de facto regulators of porn by ormaaj on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @10:33PM (#31928180)
I see. Yeah pretty terrible.
Re:Mastercard and visa are the de facto regulators of porn by endgame on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @07:27PM (#31914429)
Re:Mastercard and visa are the de facto regulators of porn by tomc1985 on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @08:50PM (#31915135)
> A bunch of powerful people

More than likely it's a handful of well-placed (by design or by luck) moralists acting at the willing behest of legal

Re:Mastercard and visa are the de facto regulators of porn by raincom on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @02:51AM (#31917246)
Just like the third party doctrine to subvert the fifth amendment, visa/master function as a similar loophole
Re:Mastercard and visa are the de facto regulators of porn by salawat on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @06:09AM (#31918246)
Fourth Amendment is the most aggregiously sidestepped by Third Party Doctrine.

Though I suppose a case can be made for the Fifth as well. The fact is that the Federal Government loves wielding access to the Financial System as a gigantic exercise of soft power. Centralization nakes exercising that power feasible.