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Re:Electric fan car shatters the Goodwood hill climb record by AtlasBarfed on Monday June 27, 2022 @06:41PM (#31901859)
I know that the "spacex package tesla roadster 2.0" is a running Elon hype joke, but the discussed thrusters would be revolutionary in extreme car design. Fan cars can only suck downward, but thrust vectoring would be a whole different ballgame: it can push down, directly thrust, push counter to the g force in a tight curve, brake faster.

Thrust vectoring could serve as a safety system to dynamically produce downforce in case a high speed car starts to go airborne, can counter spin-outs, etc.

Re:Electric fan car shatters the Goodwood hill climb record by adolph on Monday June 27, 2022 @07:13PM (#31902140)
While not full thrust vectoring, more like unthrust vectoring, McLaren did this:

One further famous example was the so-called “fiddle brake”, given its name much later by Ferrari technical boss Ross Brawn, but known within the team as “brake-steer,” that McLaren ran in the latter half of 1997 and into 1998. This simple concept allowed the rear brakes to operate on either the left or right side only, providing a clear benefit under acceleration in corners – and an instant lap time advantage.

https://www.mclaren.com/racing/inside-the-mtc/mclaren-extra-...

Re:Electric fan car shatters the Goodwood hill climb record by metadat on Monday June 27, 2022 @08:17PM (#31902609)
iirc, F1 cars today all use brake steering.
Re:Electric fan car shatters the Goodwood hill climb record by mhio on Monday June 27, 2022 @11:36PM (#31903779)
Brake steering by applying different pressure left/right is not allowed.

11.1 Brake circuits and pressure distribution

11.1.1 ... all cars must be equipped with only one brake system. This system must comprise solely of two separate hydraulic circuits operated by one pedal, one circuit operating on the two front wheels and the other on the two rear wheels. ...

11.1.2 The brake system must be designed so that within each circuit, the forces applied to the brake pads are the same magnitude and act as opposing pairs on a given brake disc.

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/2022_formula_1_techn...

Re:Electric fan car shatters the Goodwood hill climb record by KennyBlanken on Monday June 27, 2022 @10:49PM (#31903555)
As do road cars with stability control.
Re:Electric fan car shatters the Goodwood hill climb record by _carbyau_ on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @01:11AM (#31904317)
Along similar lines, there exists the e-diff.

Basically a standard diff using brakes to shape power output. Basically a brake limited version of a limited slip diff.

Re:Electric fan car shatters the Goodwood hill climb record by modeless on Monday June 27, 2022 @07:59PM (#31902483)
> Fan cars can only suck downward

This doesn't really seem like that big of a disadvantage to me. You can just keep increasing downforce until the tires are able to give you the traction you need for any maneuver. It seems like that should scale as far as you need it to, and be way more efficient than rockets. I guess the limits would be in the tires and suspension.

Re:Electric fan car shatters the Goodwood hill climb record by KennyBlanken on Monday June 27, 2022 @10:46PM (#31903537)
Increasing downward force on a pneumatic car tire without increasing tire pressure causes the tire's contact patch to deform, and you lose grip. This can happen in driving due to weight transfer.

You would need something other than pneumatic tires, or some sort of dynamic tire pressure system.

Re:Electric fan car shatters the Goodwood hill climb record by modeless on Monday June 27, 2022 @11:38PM (#31903783)
Either one seems more practical than rockets on a car. And modifying pneumatic tires to minimize this problem might be possible, if it's something that just hasn't been prioritized because it wasn't that big of a problem before. Also, a sophisticated fan system might be able to make the downforce larger, yet less variable than natural downforce.
Re:Electric fan car shatters the Goodwood hill climb record by moralestapia on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @09:25AM (#31907401)
You actually increase grip but lose traction overall.