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Re:They Think It's Murder by Balgair on Sunday June 26, 2022 @10:16AM (#31884216)
I'm going to wade in on this against my better interests.

To me, the debate seems to have a paradox that can't be resolved using the logic we've inherited from the Enlightenment (mostly). Namely: People have rights to their bodies.

Yes, it's super-duper more complicated than just that, I know. But, to my brain, it seems to boil mostly down to that.

We have to define rights, people, bodies, what 'have' means, etc. Sure, yeah, I know.

But Nature, she don't care about the Enlightenment and all our attempts at reasoning. Nature cares about making babies.

We're mammals. This is how we reproduce, how all mammals do it. We raise our young inside of our bodies until a time comes that they can survive. Then (most) mammals feed our young with our bodies for a while more. Mammals take a long time to get to be totally self-sufficient. We're not fish or crickets. This is the 'tech-debt' that Nature gave us.

If we were dinosaur-people that laid eggs, we would not have these issues between rights and bodies and mammalian reproduction.

We'll see what this debate is like in the future when we have babies born from artificial wombs.

Re:They Think It's Murder by AstralStorm on Sunday June 26, 2022 @10:29AM (#31884339)
Unfortunately the same people use the same argument against use of synthetic wombs for humans.

At some point, when they're fully developed to sustain animals, we'll have to move on to human experimentation there.

Re:They Think It's Murder by alexvoda on Sunday June 26, 2022 @01:38PM (#31886021)
> Unfortunately the same people use the same argument against use of synthetic wombs for humans.

Care to expand on this? I am not aware of any opinion on this other than general undefined revulsion. Has anyone articulated an actual argument?

Re:They Think It's Murder by Balgair on Sunday June 26, 2022 @04:04PM (#31887428)
I'm not very well studied in this area, so bear with.

I'd say it would be a good idea for people with certain diseases, those with high risks of miscarriage, in high risk professions or environments, or other situations where the development of the baby would be hindered or impacted. The only environment I can think of is somewhere that is not Earth though.

In the somewhat far future, I could see it being routine. You'd all but stop miscarriages, accidents, and have a much greater window into development and how to correct things along the way. That said, you'd strip women of an incredible and deeply human/mammalian (?) experience. Also, there's no telling that it would ever actually work. I imagine something so central to species survival has a lot of things that may make artificial wombs functionally impossible.

Re:They Think It's Murder by maratc on Sunday June 26, 2022 @11:09AM (#31884692)
> I'm going to wade in

I'm going to roe out then.

(I'll see myself out.)

Re:They Think It's Murder by lamontcg on Sunday June 26, 2022 @02:56PM (#31886794)
Can we keep the reddit pun threads out of an issue which is going to result in the deaths of thousands of young women?
Re:They Think It's Murder by maratc on Monday June 27, 2022 @04:18AM (#31891883)
Humour is a good mechanism of coping with harsh reality that we as individuals have very little influence over. Dramatizing the (already dramatic) situation even more helps no one.
Re:They Think It's Murder by lamontcg on Monday June 27, 2022 @04:57PM (#31900698)
I'm a big fan of gallows humor. Lazy pun threads aren't that.
Re:They Think It's Murder by Eddy_Viscosity2 on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @02:35PM (#31911310)
Lots of examples in nature where mothers kill their newborns (and sometimes eat them). They do this for a variety of reasons. Nature does care about making babies, but it also gives a fair bit of leeway to moms.