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Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by anigbrowl on Friday June 24, 2022 @11:17PM (#31872241)
That doesn't sell your outlook well, since neither pregnancies nor abortions are contagious.
Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by edmcnulty101 on Saturday June 25, 2022 @12:16AM (#31872556)
Contagious things that kill people = no bodily autonomy

Non-Contagious Things that that kill people = bodily autonomy.

Sounds arbitrary.

My body my choice right?

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by LocalH on Saturday June 25, 2022 @11:24AM (#31875986)
Doesn't sound arbitrary to me. If something isn't contagious then there's no "automatic" effect on those around a person. If it is contagious, then the mere presence of the person can have a harmful effect.

It only seems arbitrary to me if I look at it from a narcissistic perspective.

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by edmcnulty101 on Saturday June 25, 2022 @01:35PM (#31877108)
Or from a rational perspective.

Killing a baby is an effect on someone around(technically inside) a person.

So while it's not contagious, the effect of killing someone is the same.

And therefore no bodily autonomy should be allowed in this case.

It's the exact same logic used for covid restrictions.

You don't have bodily autonomy in cases where you can hurt others.

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by JabavuAdams on Sunday June 26, 2022 @10:27PM (#31889978)
We were talking about vaccines. It's somewhat disingenuous to start talking about abortion.

That said, the fundamental disagreement w.r.t abortion is whether or when a fetus is a person with the same legal protections as a born child, and to what extent to weigh this question, or these potential rights against the rights of the mother.

Abortion necessarily involves the killing of an organism. Anyone arguing otherwise is not basing their argument in reality. However, many commonly accepted and legal actions almost inevitably involve the killing of organisms: walking, driving, excavation, building. Our legal systems typically even allows for the killing of complex, almost-surely sentient creatures for food, and other purposes. This extends as far as the killing of humans under certain very limited circumstances. The essential disagreement on abortion is whether and when the killing that is an inescapable part of abortion is permissible, justified, lawful, and generally not murder.

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by anigbrowl on Saturday June 25, 2022 @12:37AM (#31872663)
No, it doesn't sound arbitrary. It sounds predicated on the possibility for contagion, an objectively measurable event. This is why various tests/vaccinations mandatory for immigrants, eg to prevent the spread of TB. Also, fetuses aren't people in legal terms.
Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by belorn on Saturday June 25, 2022 @05:45AM (#31873848)
According to the Unborn Victims of Violence Act, an embryo or fetus in utero is recognized as a legal victim. The law defines "child in utero" as "a member of the species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb."

The bill has however an explicit exception for abortions, saying that regardless if a fetuses are a person, it doesn't mean abortions should be illegal.

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by edmcnulty101 on Saturday June 25, 2022 @08:23AM (#31874658)
lots of things are contagious though

fetuses aren't citizens but they are considered people... in some states.