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Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by Hallucinaut on Friday June 24, 2022 @04:57PM (#31869204)
It's not a baby, it's a fetus. The potential for being a baby is not a baby. And by what mental contortion is it not a woman's body? You're obviously not speaking from the position of having your life and health put at risk by carrying something that puts the greatest strain on a human body most will ever endure.
Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by lolinder on Friday June 24, 2022 @04:59PM (#31869223)
My wife believes exactly the same as the OP, and she is most definitely speaking from that perspective. :)

This isn't a gendered issue, it's a worldview one. There's a very small skew towards males preferring it be illegal, but it's not enough to write off all opposition as male:

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/fact-sheet/public-opini...

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by dragonwriter on Friday June 24, 2022 @05:08PM (#31869338)
> There's a very small skew towards males preferring it be illegal

Women favor legality by +28 percentage points

Men favor legality by +17 percentage points

That's...not a particularly small gender skew.

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by lolinder on Friday June 24, 2022 @05:14PM (#31869395)
That's not how to read these numbers. Your way of counting doubles the actual gender gap.

63 percent of women say abortion should be legal in all/most cases.

58 percent of men say abortion should be legal in all/most cases.

That's an ~5 percentage point gender gap, not a 10 percentage point gap.

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by dragonwriter on Friday June 24, 2022 @05:24PM (#31869519)
It's a 11 percentage point margin shift, and that is the correct way to view it. While neutral is a small position on this issue because it has high salience and is polarizing, neutral is a valid choice (which is also why the difference in “should be legal” is not identical to the difference in “should be illegal”.)
Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by lolinder on Friday June 24, 2022 @05:34PM (#31869639)
Ah, that's a fair approach.

I was thinking of it this way: Hallucinaut assumed that armitron was male, because a female would never make that argument. However, 46% of people who believe that abortion should be illegal in almost all cases are female, which makes Hallucinaut's assumption very bad.

Your approach is valid in other contexts, but I don't think it's the most relevant to the question I was addressing.

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by tjs8rj on Friday June 24, 2022 @05:44PM (#31869798)
Fetus literally means unborn baby. The only difference between a fetus and a baby 10 minutes before birth is position in space (one’s in a womb). Would you support abortion 10 minutes before birth? A day? A week? At what point are you just murdering a baby?
Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by ajford on Friday June 24, 2022 @06:23PM (#31870255)
And development, which you seem to skip over. Most people draw the line at third trimester, which is generally when a fetus is viable outside the body.

A fetus in the first or second trimester isn't capable of life outside the mother's womb. A vanishingly small percentage of people are even considering late-term abortions, but that's what you seem to be fixated on in all these threads.

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by tjs8rj on Saturday June 25, 2022 @04:01AM (#31873406)
I “fixate” on that question because that’s the argument everyone is making: that any interference in abortion is unjust. The reality is (as you seem to agree) is that in some instances there’s little difference from baby murder - hence why restrictions on abortion can be just