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Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by iancmceachern on Friday June 24, 2022 @12:47PM (#31865397)
I'm curious to ask some pro xhoice folks, respectfully, how they reconsile the fact that they believe abortion is murder, and also at the same time are seemingly pro military, war, and pro militarization of thr police.

I'm genuinely curious how those two world views can coexist in the same mind.

So a soldier who kills in the name of their country, even in a conflict that we can all agree was at best morally debatable, like the first Iraq war, or Vietnam. How is that different than a person getting an abortion to avoid a known bad outcome?

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by sirbutters on Friday June 24, 2022 @02:12PM (#31866914)
Because they are hypocrites (it's a fact, not a judgement). And it's interesting because hypocrites is one of the things that Jesus specifically calls out in the Gospel and seem to have much disdain for them. As a Catholic, I practice my faith with as much common sense as I can, to not judge, and forgive, as Jesus wanted us to.

As such, I am against the death penalty, against "preemptive" wars (of course defending your territory being invaded is justified), against 2nd amendment, and support women's right for abortion. To me, this is common sense that aligns with Jesus' message.

I cannot picture the loving Christ looking at a 13 year old child pregnant because of rape/incest and go "this new life is a miracle and it was my will". I reject this notion of "every conception was God's will and is sacred".

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by dpbriggs on Friday June 24, 2022 @06:27PM (#31870284)
Are they all like that?

It's easy to want to paint with a wide brush, especially in times of crisis. One of my teachers was pro-life and anti-war. There's no need for such a conundrum.

Otherwise, frankly, they probably haven't thought about it deeply or support the military for cultural or economic factors.

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by flaviojuvenal on Friday June 24, 2022 @12:56PM (#31865595)
Plenty of discussion about that on contemporary philosophy. You should just search a bit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Defense_of_Abortion
Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by iancmceachern on Friday June 24, 2022 @01:17PM (#31865985)
This all seems to support abortion in most cases. Am I misinterpreting?
Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by flaviojuvenal on Friday June 24, 2022 @01:35PM (#31866301)
Sorry, thought you're asking about pro-life positions.
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Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by iancmceachern on Friday June 24, 2022 @01:14PM (#31865935)
It's not that I can't fathom the general case you describe.

A specific example: A rape victim is obviously traumatized by being raped and does not want to carry her aggressors child to term. In that case the enemy is inside her.

It's the same in war. The single most important thing I learned from my grandfather and his time in WWII was that the individual combatants are not evil, or bad, they're following orders of bad, evil leaders. In war the poor foot soldier in front of your rifle is not the enemy, they are the same as you.

I'm not comparing enemies in war to babies. I'm pointing out the nuanced humanity of it all and highlighting synergies or disconnects in our thinking around these complex, human subjects.

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by Jonnston on Friday June 24, 2022 @01:53PM (#31866579)
I'm not saying that I hold these views myself, I think that these are straightforward generous readings that you can take of common conservative positions.

Killing in war is bad, even evil, but there is no other way. It's a lesser evil than the alternative. Killing Germans in WW2 was bad, but the alternative was worse.

Forcing a woman to carry a child to term is bad, even evil. It produces a great deal of suffering. The alternative is to kill an unborn child, which is worse. Therefore select the lesser of the two evils.

Again, I don't subscribe to these views, but it seems like a pretty coherent position to me.

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by iancmceachern on Friday June 24, 2022 @02:33PM (#31867303)
Thank you. This is exactly what I was looking for.