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Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by SV_BubbleTime on Friday June 24, 2022 @12:35PM (#31865180)
He that knows only his side of the case, doesn't even know that. -John Stewart Mill

If you can’t steelman any topic, you don’t understand the topic.

I don’t pick begrudge Republicans that actually believe and really feel the abortion has been terminating a human life unfairly.

I’m more begrudge Democrats that refuse to understand this is a nonfalsifiable issue. That we will never understand truly the point of which a thing becomes a human.

There will never be agreement. You need understand and accept that.

So given the choice between federally legal and federally illegal, where there will always be conflict, you could do worse than 50 state rules.

For all the rage that “some number of weeks abortion bans” in the certain state received, that is Germany’s every day. They have a 12 week ban with mandatory counseling. I have difficulty understanding how the same pitched here would get red eyed outrage from most Pro-Choice but Germans seem to be getting along.

I don’t think the issue is abortion, I think it’s just like everything else hyper-polarization.

I think it’s absolutely stupid that if I see you still wearing a mask in a store, that I can pretty much determine your views on abortion. We’re being played.

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by zorpner on Friday June 24, 2022 @12:49PM (#31865444)
> If you can’t steelman any topic, you don’t understand the topic.

This fundamentally misunderstands the actual Republican position, and it does so in the way that they are intending to trick you into doing.

If they cared about lives, they would protect schoolchildren. If they cared about lives, they would protect the poor. If they cared about lives, they'd care about death from car accidents, from Covid, from lack of medical care. They don't.

So it's not about caring about lives, trivially.

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by rhino369 on Friday June 24, 2022 @01:16PM (#31865971)
I think it is you who fundamentally misunderstand their viewpoint. You are mistaking not agreeing with your proposed solutions with not caring about the problem. They largely believe that government welfare programs of the 1960s and 70s destroyed communities and caused a larger amount of suffering and death. They earnestly believe that a better economy will be more successful at reducing homelessness than (in their view) crack-filled government housing.

The right smears the left with similar accusations. Every time an illegal immigrants rapes/murders/etc. you'll see them accusing liberals of the same thing--not caring about children's lives, etc.

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by zorpner on Friday June 24, 2022 @01:57PM (#31866656)
How, specifically, does this explain their opposition to masking and vaccination?
Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by rhino369 on Friday June 24, 2022 @03:06PM (#31867815)
They don't trust government policy makers are telling the truth about the effectiveness of masks and vaccinations--the same reason many democratic block voters like African Americans have low mask and vaccination usage rates.

Part of that is caused by stupid conspiracy theories and scientific illiteracy, but partially because its pretty obvious the government does lie to use when they think its for our own good.

Though part of it is valuing individual liberty over a slight reduction in risk of death. They are more willing to value sending kids back to school even if it means some 80 years olds die a few years earlier.

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by kdtsh on Friday June 24, 2022 @12:45PM (#31865366)
> There will never be agreement.

If you don’t want an abortion, don’t get one. Can it be simpler?

Re:Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade by rhino369 on Friday June 24, 2022 @01:05PM (#31865778)
You must know that you aren't really addressing the fundamental disagreement, which is whether a fetus is a human life.

The prolifers would respond sarcastically and say:

"If you don't want to murder your 8 month old, don't do it? Can it be simpler?"