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Re:Apple is not defending browser engine choice by iasay on Friday June 24, 2022 @04:42AM (#31859155)
It also prevents the 90% case of nasty page replacement plugins and data theft extensions which are extremely common on other platforms.
Re:Apple is not defending browser engine choice by cowtools on Friday June 24, 2022 @04:47AM (#31859196)
Luckily, 100% of those malware plugins can already be avoided by voluntarily choosing to not install them.

This isn't a decision for apple or any other manufacturer to make. If you need an authority figure to babysit you while you use a computer then you shouldn't be using a computer in the first place, you should be in a nursing home.

Re:Apple is not defending browser engine choice by iasay on Friday June 24, 2022 @04:59AM (#31859290)
This is selection bias. Clearly you’ve never met an average computer user then. Malicious web pages force extensions on you which users do install.
Re:Apple is not defending browser engine choice by ajvs on Friday June 24, 2022 @11:34AM (#31863814)
uBlock Origin is exactly the type of extension which blocks these malicious webpages.
Re:Apple is not defending browser engine choice by iasay on Friday June 24, 2022 @03:14PM (#31867944)
Re:Apple is not defending browser engine choice by peoplefromibiza on Friday June 24, 2022 @04:57AM (#31859271)
it is a weird country that where people are scared that their data is at the mercy of an open source completely auditable browser extension, that adults have the choice to install or not install upon inspection, and oppose to it, but when it's about real threats that actually kill people (including kids) nothing gets done in the name of "freedom of choice" and against "baby sitting by the government"...
Re:Apple is not defending browser engine choice by iasay on Friday June 24, 2022 @05:00AM (#31859301)
Not scared of those extensions. The malicious web sites that force you to install malicious extensions are the problem. The average user isn’t immune to those problems.

I’ve cleaned out enough extension infested chrome browsers in my time…

Re:Apple is not defending browser engine choice by peoplefromibiza on Friday June 24, 2022 @05:46AM (#31859594)
> The malicious web sites that force you to install malicious extensions are the problem.

while the malicious Company that profits from the 30% cut on in game items sold to kids (and non kids) on their platform, that is ok!

> The average user isn’t immune to those problems.

The average user is not immune to bullets too, we don't force people to wear vests though (even though in USA that should probably be a requirement, given how little they are able to do to stop the shootings)

> I’ve cleaned out enough extension infested chrome browsers in my time…

that's funny, because in 25 years of web browsing and fixing other less tech savvy people's mess, what really changed everything was the invention of ad blockers, like uBlock origin. It immediately made the web a better place, safer, lighter and immensely more enjoyable.

Those "web sites that force you to install malicious extensions" disappeared in an instant and voila, problem solved.

The reward is worth the (negligible) risk.

Re:Apple is not defending browser engine choice by Jcowell on Friday June 24, 2022 @08:12AM (#31860588)
> The average user is not immune to bullets too, we don't force people to wear vests though

To be fair most countries deal with this via very strong national gun laws

Re:Apple is not defending browser engine choice by peoplefromibiza on Friday June 24, 2022 @08:31AM (#31860786)
> To be fair most countries deal with this via very strong national gun laws

That's true, but not the entire story.

Most countries don't escalate the issue to the level of public guns VS private guns and don't consider being armed a right, not even for some law enforcement officials.

So the real situation is that people are free to chose to buy arms, but the process is complicated enough that casual shooters won't even bother and criminals, well, criminals don't buy legal weapons anyway.

Most countries disincentivize buying and using guns.

In this context Apple decision is patronizing: you are entitled to spend thousands of dollars on my products because a bank approved the transactions and think you're fit to spend your money however you want, but I'll decide what you can or can't do because even though your government believes you can drive, have a family, raise kids, be a responsible citizen and also shoot guns, I'm sorry to inform you that according to my analysis you're too dumb to use a different web browser than the one provided by *me*. [1]

Even though you're probably already doing it on countless other devices and environments (another smartphone/OS/HW at work/school/library etc.)

Apple is not disincentivizing people from visiting malevolent websites, they are not making it harder for people to be scammed on the web, they are disincentivizing people from using the web because it harms their profits.

In this context, ad blockers protect users, so in theory they should be allowed by Apple that claimed more than once to be sensitive to privacy issues, but they could be used to make web browsing a better experience on iOS, which is against Apple interests. [2]

[1] of course the real reason is they want to control the platform 100% and want every single bit of information to pass through their pipes, not others' pipes.

[2] not differently from what Google does on Android, but at least on Android I can install alternative (for real) browsers. That's why OS vendors should not be allowed to dictate the browser platform, we know it's wrong since 1998 and the antitrust case against MS bundling IE, but here we are again...

Re:Apple is not defending browser engine choice by mission_failed on Friday June 24, 2022 @07:04AM (#31860053)
After 30 years of surfing porn, warez and dodgy hacking websites I have never been prompted to install a malicious plugin, mainly because decent (ie not Apple's allowed garbage) adblocking blocks it