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Re:California is poised to ban prostitution-related loiterin... by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @01:53PM (#31839425)
> There are significant debates about what is fueling some of Seattle's current problems, and whatever people's ultimate opinions on who is right and wrong about those debates

I only know what I see, I live in Ballard so most of our crime is driven by that segment of the population. I've caught more than a few prowling my car (I have an open garage). I have to dodge people in crisis often with extra care, I don't want to get a baseball bat to the head like that poor Amazonian in Belltown. I see shoplifting at Target with impunity, I saw a guy run out with two small TVs just a couple of weeks ago.

These people that are doing this look way drugged out. They look gone. It is not regular crime at all.

Re:California is poised to ban prostitution-related loiterin... by danShumway on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @02:12PM (#31839709)
:shrug: This could be an enormously complicated conversation, but the short answer is that:

- There is debate about whether drug policy specifically is the primary cause of the various increases in drug usage that we've seen around the US.

- There is debate about whether drug addiction in cities like Seattle merely correlates with homelessness/crime or whether it is the primary causal effect.

- And there are also debates on various metrics that people use that lead even people who do believe there is a causal effect to disagree with each other about how significant they think that causal effect is.

And some people do believe that it's all a straight causal effect and there aren't any complications and banning the drugs will solve the problem; but there's enough debate about it from enough serious researchers and a large enough number of inputs going into the system that I think it's slightly hand-wavy to describe the relationship between specific drug policies and crime like it's an established and widely agreed on fact rather than a highly contested debate among various researchers.

Re:California is poised to ban prostitution-related loiterin... by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @03:05PM (#31840414)
Sure, I'm happy to let the decriminalization experiment play out somewhere else (e.g. in Oregon). But myself and everyone I know for that matter, are not optimistic that this is anything but a total disaster.