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Re:TerraUSD crash led to vanished savings, shattered dreams by gruez on Tuesday June 21, 2022 @10:13PM (#31831335)
>I agree, which is why everyone who lives off an income rather than assets (which is ~99.5% of us)

I think you're greatly underestimating how many people can "live off [...] assets". This page shows household net worth by percentile[1]. Based off that, you can probably live off investments starting at around the 90th percentile ($61k annual income with 5% withdraw rate), if you live modestly in a low CoL state. Once you get around the 95th percentile you can probably live comfortably in a high CoL state ($129k/year, translates to 87th percentile in california), and by the time you get to the 99th percentile, you can probably live as well as dual earner households with high paying careers ($555k).

[1] https://dqydj.com/average-median-top-net-worth-percentiles/

[2] https://dqydj.com/income-percentile-by-state-calculator/

Re:TerraUSD crash led to vanished savings, shattered dreams by jmyeet on Tuesday June 21, 2022 @10:57PM (#31831541)
> I think you're greatly underestimating how many people can "live off [...] assets"

1% of households are worth >$11m? Is that really true? I have trouble believing that but it could be true.

Either way, all it does is change it so that 95% of people should be leftists.

Also FWIW living off those assets at the lower percentiles that you mention doesn't factor in inflation, which is currently more than the 5% returns you mentioned. And a real return of 5% is a somewhat more aggressive strategy. It's more likely (and suggested) that at a certain point portfolios should become defensive as a amssive drop is way more impactful than a large positive gain.

It's also worth noting that these net worth figures include your net house value. You're not making a return on that money. In fact it's costing you money. Sure you could not own, get a return on that money instead and rent instead but that opens you up to other risks (eg as we're seeing now with massive rent hikes).

Re:TerraUSD crash led to vanished savings, shattered dreams by WalterGR on Tuesday June 21, 2022 @10:22PM (#31831391)
> Based off that, you can probably live off investments starting at around the 90th percentile ($61k annual income with 5% withdraw rate), if you live modestly in a low CoL state.

I don't understand how that math works. Could you break it down for me?

Re:TerraUSD crash led to vanished savings, shattered dreams by dougSF70 on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @01:28AM (#31832373)
The theory goes that a 4.5% draw rate from your capital will ensure your capital is preserved (relative to inflation average of 2.5%) for ever provided it grows at 7% a year in the long run. This is an achievable long term capital growth rate.

If you can live of $61k a year then you will need 61,000 / 0.045 = $1,355,555 of investments to deliver $61k a year without degrading the value of the capital relative to inflation.

I guess the 90th percentile refers to the fact that 10% of people in the US have this amount invested or more.

Re:TerraUSD crash led to vanished savings, shattered dreams by acdha on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @11:12AM (#31837080)
> I guess the 90th percentile refers to the fact that 10% of people in the US have this amount invested or more.

I think the 10% number is referring to something a bit different. The stats referenced are net worth, which in most cases is significantly composed of someone’s house & other property which doesn’t easily provide a passive income and 401ks which aren’t accessible. I’d be surprised if the number of people who have $1.3M in normal investments is greater than 1%.