I was on the fence if I should add those in, but I'm kind of glad I did.

I feel a little bit like Taylor Otwell in the old days when he was telling people about Laravel, or Evan You back in the day when you'd search for "JS framework" and you'd only get React and Angular.

They were on the verge of something new and useful, but nobody believed. I think developers, in general, are pretty inflexible when it comes to new things (only my oppinion), that's why I wanted to add those.

It's obvious that Avo is not the silver bullet for any app and has caveats in some scenarios. All tools do (Rails, Laravel, NextJS, django, spring, you fill in the rest), but for most apps it really does give you superpowers. You build apps 10x faster and the maintenance work is second to none. And in the end, you get a beautiful app ready to present to your customers or team.

Thank you for the encouragement! I need it :)

When I was skimming your homepage I was thinking “I really wish this was built on Hotwire” and then I saw that it was. That architecture choice makes me think your bold claims might actually pan out, :).

The fact that the ways to customize/escape are “vanilla rails” and avo is deployed within my app as an engine, make this very very interesting.

As compared to:

* something like retool which is deployed (ie hosted) as an additional layer which calls an api my app exposes. Great for huge organizations, but overkill for a small team (similar to SPA vs Hotwire tradeoff)

* activeadmin where escaping the standard path is extremely hard. Not to mention it’s built on gems which are no longer in favor (inherited resources, etc)

* administrate which I really enjoyed, but felt like the support/roadmap was more of a side project vs an “open core/commercial offering”

Thank you for the kind analysis! I see you understand the product very well from the start! Yes, it's built with the knowledge of past projects you mentioned above and is deisgned to be very easily "escaped from". I know that "escaped from" might sound like you're trapped, but the experience is not that. Avo works with you to build the app you want.

Looking forward to see what you're going to build, and get in touch with me on Discord or Twitter.

https://avo.cool/chat

https://twitter.com/adrianthedev

I haven't used Avo, but if it works well, I think it's an appropriate claim.

I've worked in the industry for a while and admin pages / reports usually being at least 50% of the effort. Sometimes, it's more like 90%.

So, there's a lot of potential impact there.

Yes brother! I remember the days when I was building "an internal admin for the agency". Something to have for all apps and customers.

We'd build it for customer 1, and then for customer 2 we'd add some features and change some. Same for customer 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. After a few years we ended up with 10 different apps that should be the same. No documentation, sometimes the developer that worked on the app is no longer with the company, a real mess.

This way, it would be like using Rails. Documentation, release, maintenance, the whole shebang!

Thanks for sharing!