If it was too expensive, then it wasn't the best.

Whichever way you put it, it's either a flawed process or a weird turn of phrase by Ive.

No its not a flawed process nor a weird phrase.

Have you ever heard of "Good/Cheap/Fast — pick two"?

Yes I have, where is "best" in that triplet?

An unqualified "best" means it's the best. It was an unfortunate turn of phrase by Ive, a person known to make mistakes, as pointed out several times here on HN.

> An unqualified "best" means it's the best.

No not really, real life does not work that, you can be best in some aspect while not the best in other aspects but for some reason you dont seem to understand nuance, its probably your hatred for Ive that seems to be clouding your judgement.

"Best in some aspects" is not an unqualified best. Maybe Ive should have been more careful about his wording -- which was my point, after all!

> its probably your hatred for Ive that seems to be clouding your judgement

Wow. Hatred. I don't even know the guy, how can I hate him? I don't own a Mac, I just use one provided by my work. I don't own an iphone. I really don't pay much attention to Ive at all, just pointing out a flaw in his wording.

Hatred. Really. Is that how you normally debate?

> Is that how you normally debate

Is that how you normally debate by making personal attacks? You have already made up your mind the Ive makes many mistakes.

> Maybe Ive should have been more careful about his wording -- which was my point, after all!

and my point was that there are nuances which for some reason you still dont understand because you have already made up your mind about Ive, so lets agree to disagree because you are not going to change your opinion.

I'm sorry, where did I personally attack you? I struggle to follow your line of reasoning.

> You have already made up your mind the Ive makes many mistakes.

I made my mind just like any person would: by looking at past behavior. This is not a sin, is how human judgment works.

> you still dont understand

Ok then. Good luck with your debate tactics.

You are making personal attacks saying Ive has made many mistakes, instead of just arguing about the main point you have already made up your mind that whatever he does is a mistake and then you refuse to understand why you are wrong.

I dont need luck when facts are on my side. Good luck understanding nuance in the future.

> You are making personal attacks saying Ive has made many mistakes

That's not a personal attack.

> you have already made up your mind that whatever he does is a mistake

Uh, no.

As I said, good luck with that.

If you were being interviewed for jury selection for case against Ive, you would not be selected because of your bias against Ive.

As I said, Good luck understanding nuance in the future.

Jury selection, uh? Your line of argumentation is now surreal.

Good luck, and good bye.

It appears surreal to you because you are in some kind of obsession against Ive. That is not healthy.

Good luck to you too, you do need it.

I find it funny that you complained about personal attacks yet the only one here engaging in personal attacks is you.

You also seem obsessed with Ive.

I find it funny that you cannot just let go even though you said goodbye, that should tell you who is obsessed with Ive.

Well, likewise for you, isn't it?

You were the one who said good bye, not me.

But you do have some sort of fixation, wouldn't you agree?

Again it was you who said goodbye yet because of your obsession you are still continuing this conversation.

It takes two to tango, doesn't it?

What does it say about your obsession that you're continuing this thread?

I didnt say goodbye, you did.

You seem... obsessed with the word. Please tell me more.

I just find it funny that you said goodbye but your obsession and hatred against Ive made you come back. Please tell me more about your obsession.

Well... You're the only one mentioning him at this point. Who's obsessed?

What's funny is that you overstepped the line with the "personal attack" claim -- you know it, I know it -- but you're too stubborn to back down now, so you resort to... making personal attacks.

I am being entertained, you lost the argument with your bias and hatred, you know it, I know it but you are too stubborn to back down now so you resort to... changing the topic.

I still don't understand why you said goodbye if you had so much hatred inside you which you want to take out.

So you agree you resorted to personal attacks? Personal attacks entertain you?

Your effort to dig yourself into a hole is very entertaining to me. So please continue.

Would you say what you just wrote is yet another personal attack?

I see you enjoy insulting other people. One might even call it... hatred.

Do you feel insulted? That seems a bit rich coming from you when you were insulting Ive with your hatred.

What hatred? It's only in your mind. You cannot point to a single instance, unless you feel claiming someone is wrong about something is "hatred"... which would say a lot about you.

But yes, I do feel harassed by an online troll: you.

You are the one who said goodbye yet came came back to harass me like a troll because I told you why you are wrong and why you are biased.

Let me get this straight: so I am harassing you because I said goodbye but didn't stop responding, is that what upsets you so much?

And also I'm a troll because I didn't take it in stride when you started saying I'm "insulting with my hatred" someone I don't know?

Did I get this right, is this what offended you so much?

I'm sorry I hurt you so much, you poor thing.

Your harassment does not upset me, it entertains me.

You are a troll because you said goodbye but when someone proved you wrong, you could not handle it because of your hatred.

You should feel sorry for yourself, you need to see someone to handle your hate which is festering inside you.

You're really so upset about the "goodbye" thing!

I missed the part where you "proved me wrong", I guess I need my glasses!

Tell me more about hatred, please.

Its so funny that your hatred brings you back even after saying goodbye, why did you say bye and then shamelessly come back?

Read my comments again with your glasses.

So we are back to "goodbye" and "hatred" uh? Hatred against whom, exactly?

Could you please link to your comment where you "proved me wrong", for my own edification?

We are never moving away from your goodbye, you shamelessly coming back was probably the most embarrassing moment in your life and very funny for me.

Did you get your glasses and read my previous comments again?