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Re:Voyager spacecraft begin to power down by mistermann on Saturday June 18, 2022 @05:26PM (#31793974)
> “We hope someday, having solved the problems we face, to join a community of galactic civilizations. This record represents our hope and our determination, and our good will in a vast and awesome universe.”

This is a lovely saying, but it feels like fairly strong false advertising. "We hope X", interpreted literally, implies that people physically engage in such forms of thinking. I do not believe this is actually true at ground level, rather, I think this is more of a story that we like to tell ourselves about ourselves.

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Re:Voyager spacecraft begin to power down by myself248 on Saturday June 18, 2022 @07:40PM (#31794805)
It seems pretty narrow to assume that because _you_ don't engage in this thinking, that _nobody_ does.

Plenty of us do. The fact that we're not running the world is a detail.

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Re:Voyager spacecraft begin to power down by dotancohen on Sunday June 19, 2022 @02:07AM (#31796570) 

  > Plenty of us do. The fact that we're not running the world is a detail.
I think that "we're not running the world" was the GP's point. It _is_ an important detail in the context of the President saying these words, to remember that he is not one of us who do really engage in this type of thinking.
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Re:Voyager spacecraft begin to power down by mistermann on Monday June 20, 2022 @11:24AM (#31811459)
The magnitude (quantity x quality) of people who do on planet earth is also highly relevant to the objective truth value of the claim.
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Re:Voyager spacecraft begin to power down by mistermann on Monday June 20, 2022 @11:23AM (#31811436)
I wonder if you do indeed engage in the specific type of thinking I am referring to. Would you be willing to compare notes?
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Re:Voyager spacecraft begin to power down by kortilla on Saturday June 18, 2022 @05:39PM (#31794069)
SpaceX is actively working towards that goal.
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Re:Voyager spacecraft begin to power down by Peritract on Saturday June 18, 2022 @05:55PM (#31794170)
SpaceX's own mission statement doesn't mention becoming part of a community of civilisations [1]. It mentions making humans multiplanetary, but that is a very different aim [2]. Further, it's a good idea to be skeptical of corporate mission statements generally.

SpaceX is doing exciting stuff in the field of rocketry; that's really happening and it's worth being excited about, but they aren't doing more. It's misguided and dangerous to treat them as utopian idealists.

[1] https://www.spacex.com/mission/

[2] https://www.gutenbergcanada.ca/ebooks/lewiscs-outofthesilent...

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Re:Voyager spacecraft begin to power down by WalterBright on Saturday June 18, 2022 @10:18PM (#31795537)
> but they aren't doing more

Criminy, aren't they doing great? I finally found a way to buy some shares of SpaceX. I don't even care if that investment does badly, I just want to share in a tiny bit of SpaceX.

> dangerous

?? On the scale of things that terrify me, SpaceX doesn't move the needle.

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Re:Voyager spacecraft begin to power down by mr_toad on Saturday June 18, 2022 @09:53PM (#31795429)
If Starship isn’t designed to go to Mars and back they’ve made some odd design choices.
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Re:Voyager spacecraft begin to power down by SyzygistSix on Sunday June 19, 2022 @07:45AM (#31798416)
Musk has acknowledged that he considers colonizing Mars a step to becoming extrasolar eventually, not that SpaceX plans to do that itself.
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Re:Voyager spacecraft begin to power down by mistermann on Saturday June 18, 2022 @06:16PM (#31794294)
On a portion of it - I don't see any attention paid to discovering how to teach human beings how to be better at good will, which is part of the claim.
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