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Re:Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of pe... by SoftTalker on Friday June 17, 2022 @02:26PM (#31782319)
This is not unusual at all.

My first job as a developer was with a big consulting firm. Undergraduate seniors were hired en masse every year as entry-level staff consultants. The expectation (not stated, but not hard to figure out) was that many would leave within a few years. Some would remain and get promoted, even fewer would stick around long enough to be considered for partnership.

The work hours were long (50 hour weeks normal, more was not unusual) but the pay was good and it was good experience to cite when applying for other jobs.

Amazon warehouse work is not a career. It's a job, that has minimal if any prerequisite skills other than being strong enough to move boxes around. It's not the sort of thing someone does for a lifetime.

Re:Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of pe... by rschachte on Friday June 17, 2022 @03:26PM (#31783090)
I think you have little understanding of how warehouses work if you think it’s just people moving boxes.
Re:Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of pe... by colinmhayes on Saturday June 18, 2022 @05:40PM (#31794073)
Amazon has very specifically designed its warehouses so that employees not only don't need to think, they effectively can't. Everything is decided by the computer, the employees just look at their handset and do what it says. This strategy is paramount due to their > 100% yearly turnover. They do not have any experienced workers to train others, so the job needs to be pretty self explanatory. By turning employees into robots you can plug and play everyone in the warehouse.
Re:Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of pe... by jokethrowaway on Friday June 17, 2022 @02:59PM (#31782740)
Big consulting firms are exactly the place you should avoid, especially if you're a developer with plenty of better options.

If you like working in the office / overworking just get into a fang and get more money. If you want a quiet environment go for smaller companies and get the same money as your big consultancy.

Nobody cares where you worked unless it's a fang, anyway

Re:Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of pe... by SoftTalker on Friday June 17, 2022 @03:23PM (#31783057)
At the time, FNG didn't exist, and Apple was gasping for life. It was one of the top paying options for a new graduate with no experience.
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Re:Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of pe... by SoftTalker on Friday June 17, 2022 @03:34PM (#31783173)
> Abuse is OK because some people eventually figure out how to get away from it?

I take issue with calling it abuse, but yes -- it's a learning experience and a life lesson. I did it, I was disillusioned with school, quit and worked in manual labor, delivery, and restaurant jobs when I was young. Decided I didn't want to do that for life, so I went back to school and learned to program computers. Then I worked as a consultant, decided that was too many hours and too much time away from home, so I found another job that was better on those metrics. Decided I didn't like living in a huge metro area, so found another job in a small town.

Life isn't handed to you, and if it is, you don't appreciate what you have.

Re:Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of pe... by notyourwork on Friday June 17, 2022 @02:57PM (#31782722)
We do it in the medical and legal field under the guise of “experience” and “career development”. Is it different because it’s blue collar hourly work and not used as a foundation for a lucrative career.

I think it should stop in all places but we seem to disregard shitty work arrangements for the few prestigious and financially lucrative careers and cry wolf for those hourly souls.

Why is that?

Re:Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of pe... by jjoonathan on Friday June 17, 2022 @03:13PM (#31782940)
Abuse is OK because it's universal? Come on.

> I think it should stop in all places

This is the only appropriate answer across the board.

Re:Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of pe... by Fomite on Friday June 17, 2022 @03:35PM (#31783193)
...this seems to ignore the huge amount of scrutiny these kinds of practices are getting in the medical field.
Re:Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of pe... by notyourwork on Saturday June 18, 2022 @12:57AM (#31787353)
Don’t see it in legal field or software engineering.
Re:Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of pe... by lupire on Friday June 17, 2022 @03:48PM (#31783353)
Are you saying it's not fair that people who get paid less get more sympathy?
Re:Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of pe... by notyourwork on Saturday June 18, 2022 @12:57AM (#31787352)
I’m saying we focus on populations because of a common theme but some problems transcend those categorical boundaries.
Re:Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of pe... by scollet on Sunday June 19, 2022 @06:13AM (#31797967)
Should delegate the same hours of jail time to those managers.
Re:Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of pe... by noobker on Friday June 17, 2022 @02:43PM (#31782540)
> It's not the sort of thing someone does for a lifetime.

Quite literally, not with that attitude. So many of capitalism's pitfalls amount to no more than self-fulfilling prophecies.