Are you certain this sort of behavior doesn't already occur directly or inderectly through "legitimate" groups such the CIA, News Corp, the RNC, DNC, etc? Perhaps these newer groups are a response to a feeling that we are already at war and have been for quite some time. Perhaps we're already in the nightmare. diclaimer: I don't think I know anyone in such groups (incluing the so called legitimate ones). I'm just projecting based on the various public info that passes by.