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Re:Study of falling sperm counts finds 'alarming' levels of ... by oneoff786 on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @02:44PM (#31744038)
LGBT rates among zoomers is shockingly high to me. 20%, double that of millenials. Millenials are double that of Gen X. I tend to believe there’s a genuine biological phenomenon going on here. The next generation should be just starting to establish their sexual orientations. The data should be interesting…
Re:Study of falling sperm counts finds 'alarming' levels of ... by FalconSensei on Thursday June 16, 2022 @05:10PM (#31771010)
> LGBT rates among zoomers is shockingly high to me. 20%, double that of millenials

I would argue that double of zoomers are more comfortable assuming they are homosexuals, or even, zoomers are less afraid to explore and discover their sexuality instead of "I'm not doing X because I'm obviously not gay, I'm macho" kinda of thinking, and are happier for that.

Re:Study of falling sperm counts finds 'alarming' levels of ... by abeppu on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @04:19PM (#31745487)
I'm not saying nothing genuinely biological is happening, and it's totally plausible, but I am saying one has to be careful about the available evidence and how it's interpreted.

The only thing we can really measure is what people say about themselves, often in a poll/survey/study context. More people are identifying as LGBT in the younger generations. We have no way of knowing how many people in each generation are some form of closeted. But people's increased rates of _identifying_ as LGBT have occurred in an environment where both cultural and chemical/biological factors have shifted. How could you disentangle their effects?

I think there's a risk when making claims about anything that has stigma attached to it. How prevalent has sexual assault been, over time? How many kids are raised with corporal punishment? If you expect that both their prevalence, and the willingness of people to report or talk about it changes over time, how could you know when rates go up or down?

Re:Study of falling sperm counts finds 'alarming' levels of ... by oneoff786 on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @06:27PM (#31746823)
Pick a Bayesian prior and roll with it. 20% of Gen Z is identifying as LGBT. Seems high to me. If we see another doubling for the next generation then something would seem to be obviously different. One doesn’t need to disentangle the effects per se
Re:Study of falling sperm counts finds 'alarming' levels of ... by concinds on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @03:26PM (#31744739)
The increase is almost entirely in bisexuality. I think the biological argument is strong.
Re:Study of falling sperm counts finds 'alarming' levels of ... by staticman2 on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @03:51PM (#31745099)
We have records showing male male sex was common in ancient Greece.
Re:Study of falling sperm counts finds 'alarming' levels of ... by oneoff786 on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @06:23PM (#31746780)
Yeah, mostly rich older dudes fucking young boys. Greece was not some idyllic free love society. It was just that being a top was super manly and being a bottom was not. You didn’t have wealthy men in openly gay equal relationships with other men.
Re:Study of falling sperm counts finds 'alarming' levels of ... by Der_Einzige on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @07:13PM (#31747165)
Pretty sure poor people weren't being allowed into the most elite unit in the Greek world (since you had to buy your armor!)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Band_of_Thebes

Re:Study of falling sperm counts finds 'alarming' levels of ... by oneoff786 on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @09:40PM (#31748174)
From your own source

> According to Plutarch, the 300 hand-picked men were chosen by Gorgidas purely for ability and merit, regardless of social class.[18] It was composed of 150 male couples,[15] each pair consisting of an older erastês (ἐραστής, "lover") and a younger erômenos (ἐρώμενος, "beloved").

Older dudes with their designated younger bottoms.

I’ll also recommend https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Gre...

Over a niche historical anecdote

> During Plato's time there were some people who were of the opinion that homosexual sex was shameful in any circumstances. Indeed, Plato himself eventually came to hold this view. At one time he had written that same-sex lovers were far more blessed than ordinary mortals. He even gave them a headstart in the great race to get back to heaven, their mutual love refeathering their mottled wings. Later he seemed to contradict himself. In his ideal city, he says in his last, posthumously published work known as The Laws, homosexual sex will be treated the same way as incest. It is something contrary to nature, he insists, calling it "utterly unholy, odious-to-the-gods and ugliest of ugly things".[31]