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Re:Giving the F.B.I. What It Wants by ck2 on Sunday October 30, 2011 @12:50AM (#3173662)
This is going to backfire, bigtime.

The way it works is you will never be cleared, the security-theater machine has "eaten" you.

You can only give them more reasons to collect evidence on petty crimes, their original motivation for stalking you, even if your file was flagged accidentally, is long lost.

With half a million names on the "Terrorist Watch List", once they have ways to automate this (ala nationwide facial recognition and domestic drones) you will be stalked for the rest of your life by the government. You'll be 80 years old and they will have terabytes on you for absolutely no reason. But if you even accidentally commit a petty crime, they will happily share the info with local cops to hassle you more.

Re:Giving the F.B.I. What It Wants by epoxyhockey on Sunday October 30, 2011 @01:20AM (#3173709)
There's nothing else to backfire as he is already tagged for life. I think the best thing he's done has been to go completely public with the story and go on to teach at several universities.

Here is his wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasan_M._Elahi

The feds probably won't harass him directly anymore, but he now has the joy to document how the automated security-theater system will wrong him for the next 50+ years.

Re:Giving the F.B.I. What It Wants by ck2 on Sunday October 30, 2011 @02:12AM (#3173767)
What's crazy is I bet the original "tip" was bogus by either someone who didn't like him or they meant someone else. Even if it didn't pan out, they certainly aren't going to not take advantage of the opened door.

Just like during the Iraq war people turned in their neighbors and people they didn't like in general for the bounties and many of them ended up in gitmo - but now the innocent ones can supposedly never be released because they most certainly have become embittered and dangerous. Oh yeah, remember Gitmo? Still there.

Re:Giving the F.B.I. What It Wants by rhizome on Sunday October 30, 2011 @03:03PM (#3175121)
Snitching people into Gitmo is evil, and it is made possible and perpetuated by the American people.
Re:Giving the F.B.I. What It Wants by pstuart on Sunday October 30, 2011 @04:58PM (#3175401)
I'm guilty of paying taxes to support it but beyond that I'm quite against it. The government doesn't seem to value my opinion on the matter.
Re:Giving the F.B.I. What It Wants by rhizome on Sunday October 30, 2011 @06:29PM (#3175595)
Yeah, so far the most any of us can do is be aware.
Re:Giving the F.B.I. What It Wants by hooande on Sunday October 30, 2011 @11:28AM (#3174569)
I don't see how this will backfire. He seems to live a right life. No one in the government cares about whatever petty crimes he may commit.

Federal law enforcement only cares about petty crimes when they can lead to stopping major crimes. If they think you have information they want, they'll hold the maximum penalty for anything you do over your head until they get it. But they have no reason to harass someone who isn't involved in major criminal or subversive activity.

Being on a watch list sucks and it's going to cause this guy inconvenience for life, for whatever he does. But federal agents tend to be intelligent and driven people. They aren't any more likely to waste time harassing a stranger than you are.

Re:Giving the F.B.I. What It Wants by quanticle on Sunday October 30, 2011 @12:24PM (#3174707)
That only works as long as he's not opposing the state or any corporation or individual with powerful state connections. I dare this guy to go down to the local Occupy Wall Street protests and then see how little the government cares.

The fact is, we violate laws every day. In addition to actual violations, we do many more things that look suspicious and can be construed as potential violations. The government doesn't have to convict you in order to radically lower your quality of life. It merely has to investigate you.

For example, I knew a person that protested against the RNC convention in 2008. Though they were protesting peacefully, their group was broken up and arrested by the FBI. For the next two years, their case was bounced down from federal court to state courts, and then from state courts to county courts. Two and a half years later, the case was dismissed without any explanation or apology. However, while the case was ongoing, this person was unable to get a job, unable to get housing, unable to do anything that would require a background check or a credit check.

Was this person involved in major criminal or subversive activity? I don't see how she could have been, given that all charges were dropped. However, the actions taken against her can only be described as harassment.

Re:Giving the F.B.I. What It Wants by delinka on Sunday October 30, 2011 @12:14PM (#3174684)
Right up until the guy says something disagreeble to a politician or federal law enforcement bully who just wants to ruin the guy's life. Allowing law enforcement to amass information that it "doesn't care about" does lead to abuse of power. See 'National Security Letters' for more information.
Re:Giving the F.B.I. What It Wants by pavel_lishin on Monday October 31, 2011 @01:06PM (#3178114)
> He seems to live a right life. No one in the government cares about whatever petty crimes he may commit.

You've polled every single federal and state employee, as well as various contractors?

Re:Giving the F.B.I. What It Wants by Ex-PraliteMonk on Sunday October 30, 2011 @10:03AM (#3174396)
The way it works is you will never be cleared, the security-theater machine has eaten you.

In other words, being on a security watch list is like being diagnosed with cancer. You're never cured. The symptoms are just in remission and can resurface at any time.

Re:Giving the F.B.I. What It Wants by ImprovedSilence on Sunday October 30, 2011 @04:28PM (#3175338)
Yeah, but I think the moral of his story is: "look at this crazy thing I did, isn't that crazy." And then he points out that hey, that's what we do every time we update Facebook. He brings a very interesting perspective to the use of social networking. He isn't suggesting we send info to the FBI, he is saying we already do. And it's true, you don't think at least 5 different intelligence agencies in the US alone already look at everything you do. (I don't mean that in the sense that an "person" analyst is there looking at your pics, but you better believe they are crawling, storing, and analyzing your data in code.)