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Re:EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by... by scrollaway on Monday June 13, 2022 @07:17AM (#31723821)
> I expect the 2035 limit to be relaxed or result in fewer car sales because we can't power them up.

Good. We need fewer car sales. We need more non-car infrastructure.

We don't need an "output equivalent to the energy stored in the fuel used by today's non EV cars". What we need is fewer cars and more people on public transports and bicycles wherever it makes sense.

Less car trips. The current price of gas is already pushing people to take their car less and prioritize cheaper modes of transportation.

Fulfill the remainder of the demand with electric.

Re:EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by... by Ntrails on Monday June 13, 2022 @07:57AM (#31724190)
> Less car trips. The current price of gas is already pushing people to take their car less and prioritize cheaper modes of transportation.

Cheaper?. 100 miles on the train is more expensive [in the UK] than the fuel for the same trip. And that's before I put 4 people in the sodding car. Not to mention, my standard drive is barely serviced by public transport (requiring three changes and a significant detour). You can even amortise my car costs and I'm still way ahead in time, costs and convenience.

NB. I'd really like the railways and buses nationalised and heavily subsidised to support fixed costs based solely on bucketed crow flies distance, log scaled etc. But whilst they are the way they are - no way will I give up a car.

Re:EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by... by scrollaway on Monday June 13, 2022 @08:11AM (#31724340)
> miles on the train is more expensive [in the UK]

This didn't use to be the case. UK trains were privatised and their costs have gone way up in the past few years.

Regardless, the UK is irrelevant to this discussion as we're talking about the EU.

Re:EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by... by fmajid on Monday June 13, 2022 @07:31AM (#31723968)
The population is ageing. The idea that everyone will use bicycles is ableist nonsense.
Re:EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by... by adrianN on Monday June 13, 2022 @07:57AM (#31724189)
Electric tricycles are safer for elderly people than even walking. They're far safer than having them drive a car.
Re:EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by... by scrollaway on Monday June 13, 2022 @07:41AM (#31724037)
Please put your finger on the word "everyone" in my comment.
Re:EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by... by philistine on Monday June 13, 2022 @10:11AM (#31725847)
What's ableist about saying we need more people using bicycles? Read carefully what was written above. More. bicycles. Nothing in there mentions that everyone needs to use a bicycle.

Are you saying we can never argue for more bicycle use because that's somehow ableist?