Toyota unveils 8.7 kWh battery for residential applications

Re:Toyota unveils 8.7 kWh battery for residential applications by markvdb on Monday June 13, 2022 @04:02AM (#31722565)

I ran your figures through a local price comparison engine. [0] Cheapest rate for you here would be ~12800€, or ~$13400/year. For reference, that's slightly less than half the median net income here. [1]

I also made a quick price comparison between the US and here:

- electricity? US: 0.14€/kWh [2]; here: ~0.30€/kWh [0]

- diesel? US: 1.40€/l [3]; here: 2.19€/l [4]

- gasoline? US: 1.26€/l [5]; here: 2.39€/l [4]

- natural gas? US: 0.44€/m³ [6]; here: 1.16€/m³ [7]

My conclusion is the US provide a reference framework of cheap abundant energy. The environmentally conscious have to deal with a framework that stimulates unbridled energy consumption, with hardly any real incentives for conserving energy.

[0] https://vtest.vreg.be

[1] https://www.vlaanderen.be/statistiek-vlaanderen/inkomen-en-a...

[2] https://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.ph...

[3] https://www.statista.com/statistics/204169/retail-prices-of-...

[4] https://carbu.com/belgie/index.php/officieleprijs

[5] https://gasprices.aaa.com/state-gas-price-averages/

[6] https://www.eia.gov/dnav/ng/hist/n3010us3m.htm

[7] https://www.ebem.be/mgt/803697.fil

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Re:Toyota unveils 8.7 kWh battery for residential applications by markvdb on Monday June 13, 2022 @08:48AM (#31724768)

Update. Local price comparison site was just updated this morning. Price here would be between 14569€ (.40€/kWh) and 17308€ (.47€/kWh) depending on the supplier chose. This includes all taxes and surcharges.

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Re:Toyota unveils 8.7 kWh battery for residential applications by tralarpa on Monday June 13, 2022 @10:20AM (#31725986)

But you live in an expensive European country. Shouldn't you compare your prices to expensive US states? Or European averages to US averages?

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