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Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by ramesh31 on Sunday June 12, 2022 @11:55AM (#31715447)
>This doesn't really mesh into the existing aviation industry, so proponents of these small electric planes usually propose creating new markets entirely; e.g. Uber for Helicopters. But I'm pretty skeptical that laws will allow regular operation of these in residential neighborhoods for long, if at all.

I can see it becoming more of "Greyhound for Helicopters". Practically every town in the US greater than a few thousand population has at least a local municipal airport. With electrification, aviation can become so cheap that all of these fields will just have a few commuter size electric aircraft that feed into to the rest of our existing airport infrastructure. And with the planes being so small, there's really no need for TSA security or anything, it becomes as simple as buying a ticket on your phone and hopping on the plane like a bus.

Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by akira2501 on Sunday June 12, 2022 @01:00PM (#31716055)
Granted, this is a new type of transport.. but the current metrics on air flight safety do not support this idea. Take offs and landings are the most dangerous part of flight, and still account for planes being more dangerous _per trip_ than most other modes of transport.

Planning to create a plane that fills this space is planning to create a plane that suffers a lot of accidents for almost no real gain over current options.

Buses are incredibly safe. If you want better busses, build those instead. This obsession with floating to your destination above the ground does not seem wise or worthwhile.

Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by ghaff on Sunday June 12, 2022 @01:13PM (#31716187)
It's trivial to create a luxury "bus" in just about any form factor you want to from a full-size motor coach down to a limo. Presumably the economics don't work in most cases. Of course, if you're talking small municipal airports in the US, the vast majority of people living there, especially those who can afford somewhat upscale transportation, probably own a car.
Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by SoftTalker on Sunday June 12, 2022 @01:34PM (#31716417)
Yes. Most small towns don't even have bus service to the nearest hub airport, because economically it doesn't work. And there is no arrangement of costs that will work out to electric aircraft being cheaper to own and operate than a bus.
Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by freemint on Sunday June 12, 2022 @06:07PM (#31718736)
In a sufficiently river/sea/ /hill/valley rich environment it might work if one can save on infrastructure cost for extra expensive roads. This is not most of the world though.
Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by ghaff on Sunday June 12, 2022 @08:12PM (#31719501)
You already have bush planes in places like Alaska. A cheaper/better bush plane has probable merit but, as you say, that's not most places.
Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by 908B64B197 on Sunday June 12, 2022 @12:03PM (#31715531)
> And with the planes being so small, there's really no need for TSA security or anything

There's no need for larger planes either for zero-risk travelers.

Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by repiret on Sunday June 12, 2022 @01:12PM (#31716180)
> With electrification, aviation can become so cheap…

Fuel is not the dominant cost in general aviation. Electrification alone won’t make it cheap.

Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by ramesh31 on Sunday June 12, 2022 @02:48PM (#31717133)
>Fuel is not the dominant cost in general aviation. Electrification alone won’t make it cheap.

It's not about fuel efficiency. In fact, any electric aircraft with current battery tech is always going to be less efficient than a jet, because jets burn oxygen from the air.

It's about maintenance. The fixed hourly cost of aviation is almost entirely based on the cost of maintenance. And a fleet of electric aircraft will be orders of magnitude cheaper to maintain than turboprops and jets. That can unlock whole new business models of small scale commercial aviation that aren't possible today.

Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by nradov on Sunday June 12, 2022 @05:21PM (#31718391)
When you say "orders of magnitude cheaper" you can't possibly mean even 10×. There is more to aircraft maintenance than just engine repairs and overhauls. Electric aircraft will still require similar amounts of maintenance on the airframe, control surfaces, avionics, and interior. And some of the powered lift designs have literally dozens of separate motors and rotors, each of which require periodic manual inspection.
Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by nradov on Sunday June 12, 2022 @01:03PM (#31716074)
Electrification alone won't make air charters cheap. The aircraft themselves, pilot salaries, maintenance, and facilities will all still be nearly as expensive. We are decades away from the FAA allowing autonomous or remote piloted aircraft to carry paying customers in commercial service.