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Re:Javascript Hero: Change Computer History Forever by cpeterso on Friday October 28, 2011 @08:59PM (#3170720)
If ASCII is the universal, forward-compatible data format, is JavaScript to become the universal runtime environment?

Every layer of software builds upon the lower software (and hardware) layers (and bugs). It's like a Jenga tower of dependencies. It would be nice if some middle layers could be excised/refactored to simplify our technology stack.

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Re:Javascript Hero: Change Computer History Forever by mechanical_fish on Friday October 28, 2011 @09:37PM (#3170793)
If we took out the Javascript layer we'd be down to C, right? We've had emulators written in portable C for nigh on twenty years. Where's the challenge in that? ;)

The advantage of JS as a runtime environment is that it's got the most extensive cross-platform app ecosystem in the world, with a lot of eyeballs on it. Every new difference that arises between the behavior of a JS engine and that of its peers is greeted by a hundred thousand screams from the mouths of a hundred thousand web developers.

Plus, I believe the pain required to get your app to run in all the popular JS engines is mild when you compare it to the ins and outs of cross-platform C libraries.

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Re:Javascript Hero: Change Computer History Forever by MostAwesomeDude on Saturday October 29, 2011 @01:01AM (#3171163)
Actually, no, beneath the JS layer is the browser, which is a massive wall of architecture-independent C++ with its own graphics abstractions and high-level constructs. You'd need to drop another level or three to reach the C layer.

I dare you to actually try SDL sometime; it is far less pain than doing browser work in JS.

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Re:Javascript Hero: Change Computer History Forever by nknight on Saturday October 29, 2011 @02:54AM (#3171374)
If the premise is ASCII, JavaScript cannot be the result.

ASCII is intensely simple and, for its intended purpose, very close to perfect. JavaScript is... not.

JavaScript is, at best, the most common language used for today's GUI applications. It and its "toolkit" (the DOM and HTML) need a lot of work, particularly wart removal, if they're going to have the timelessness of ASCII or its successor (UTF-8).

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Re:Javascript Hero: Change Computer History Forever by dreamdu5t on Saturday October 29, 2011 @03:47PM (#3172624)
The DOM and HTML need work, sure. But JavaScript is perfect.
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Re:Javascript Hero: Change Computer History Forever by rictic on Saturday October 29, 2011 @07:47PM (#3173162)
Javascript is beautiful and far simpler than most languages it resembles on the surface, but it is far from perfect.

Fortunately there are many serious efforts at improving the language almost all of which compile down to today's javascript for backwards compatibility.

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Re:Javascript Hero: Change Computer History Forever by nknight on Saturday October 29, 2011 @05:02PM (#3172800)
Brendan Eich would seem to disagree[1], as would, well, everyone else I've ever heard talk about JS, so I'm not sure from whence you draw that rather remarkable assertion.

It may or may not meet your particular needs, but that has very little relationship to its perfection.

[1] http://brendaneich.com/2005/06/javascript-1-2-and-in-between...

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