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Re:Explosion at US natural gas plant raises risk of shortage... by jkIHGs on Saturday June 11, 2022 @01:54PM (#31706492)
I agree. Even if Russia is our worst enemy, depleting their resources first is quite a logical step. Would you want Russia to be the last country that still has oil reserves for its military?

Replacing Russia with Qatar or Saudi Arabia (Jemen war?) is hypocritical.

Replacing Russia with the U.S. gives the U.S. too much power over the EU. It can be used as a bargaining chip in unrelated negotiations like privacy rights etc.

Re:Explosion at US natural gas plant raises risk of shortage... by hdjjhhvvhga on Saturday June 11, 2022 @02:05PM (#31706621)
> Even if Russia is our worst enemy, depleting their resources first is quite a logical step. Would you want Russia to be the last country that still has oil reserves for its military?

The fallacy in this reasoning is that with the money from the sales of gas Russia can - and is continuing to - arm themselves and conquer more land and kill more people. The Qatar is not engaged in killing thousands of people right now - if they were, we would not be buying oil from them, either, for the same reasons we are reducing our dependence on Russian gas.

Re:Explosion at US natural gas plant raises risk of shortage... by fritigern on Saturday June 11, 2022 @02:15PM (#31706725)
We could not trade with anybody if we stopped trading for ethical reasons. By the same logic we should also stop trading with USA because of the Iraq War (and many others).
Re:Explosion at US natural gas plant raises risk of shortage... by jkIHGs on Saturday June 11, 2022 @02:12PM (#31706683)
You did not address the reasoning, which is about the fact that the last country on earth with oil reserves will have a strategic advantage.

Russia can always trade with China to have enough money for weapons. Anyway, even with all the Europe trade in the past decades they can barely advance 50 km in Ukraine.

Re:Explosion at US natural gas plant raises risk of shortage... by hdjjhhvvhga on Sunday June 12, 2022 @06:59AM (#31713563)
> You did not address the reasoning, which is about the fact that the last country on earth with oil reserves will have a strategic advantage.

I agree this is a problem, and hopefully its scale will be much lower in a few decades as we are moving away from fossil fuels. But even if we were consuming them rapidly as we are doing now, we are talking ca. 50 years for oil and natural gas. Whereas the danger from Russia is right now.

Re:Explosion at US natural gas plant raises risk of shortage... by fritigern on Saturday June 11, 2022 @02:19PM (#31706758)
> Replacing Russia with the U.S. gives the U.S. too much power over the EU. It can be used as a bargaining chip in unrelated negotiations like privacy rights etc.

I agree with this.

Re:Explosion at US natural gas plant raises risk of shortage... by toss1 on Saturday June 11, 2022 @02:43PM (#31706989)
>>U.S. too much power over the EU

Bullshirt

Russia has already explicitly used energy blackmail on EU nations, and is specifically pushing Nordstream, etc. pipelines to create such dependency. Most recently Russia broke it's contracts and demanded payment in Rubles in order to support it's currency after launching a genocidal attack on it's neighbor.

US policy has been explicitly AGAINST even allowing exports for decades, and only relaxed recently in order to support our EU friends.

Russia is an entirely unreliable supplier, the US is reliable.

Take your new troll account and go back to Leningrad, Boris.

Re:Explosion at US natural gas plant raises risk of shortage... by hal1234 on Saturday June 11, 2022 @03:08PM (#31707250)
I'm against this war, but I think the history is a little different. Russia has always been a reliable supplier except for the recent demand to pay in Rubles.

Nordstream was built because Ukraine was an unreliable transit nation:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_ga...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jan/03/russia-ukraine...

Re:Explosion at US natural gas plant raises risk of shortage... by mensetmanusman on Saturday June 11, 2022 @03:36PM (#31707531)
Maybe it’s hard to be reliable when Russia keeps attacking you.
Re:Explosion at US natural gas plant raises risk of shortage... by toss1 on Sunday June 12, 2022 @12:25PM (#31715720)
If "Ukraine was an unreliable transit nation" it was only because Russia kept shutting off their supply to attempt to undermine their government and extract consessions.

In Putin's latest speech, he laid bare the goals - to re-enact Peter The Great and restore Russian lands', which basically include anything Russia wants, not merely Ukraine, but Poland, Lithuania, Sweden (which PTG took with the same excuse of it 'being Russian'.

Putin is literally working to rebuild a 19th century empire with 19th century war rules, genocide included.

If you are supporting this in any way, again, you are at best a Useful Idiot (in the Vladimir Lenin sense) or at worst a paid bot/troll.

Stop it

Re:Explosion at US natural gas plant raises risk of shortage... by fritigern on Sunday June 12, 2022 @02:53AM (#31712175)
I hate it when people can't have a reasonable discussion and resort to calling others as "bots". Not everyone who disagrees with you is Russian or a bot.
Re:Explosion at US natural gas plant raises risk of shortage... by toss1 on Sunday June 12, 2022 @07:59PM (#31719431)
Not everyone is, but when you are a new account obviously doing nothing but making simplistic and inaccurate arguments carrying Putin's water, you are at best a Useful Idiot (in the Vladimir Lenin sense) or a troll/bot.
Re:Explosion at US natural gas plant raises risk of shortage... by fritigern on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @04:51AM (#31736318)
Re:Explosion at US natural gas plant raises risk of shortage... by toss1 on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @04:21PM (#31745511)
Inapplicable here

You literally are carrying Putin's water in this discussion.

People doing that are either fooled, or doing it deliberately. I did leave out the option that you could actually support anti-democratic authoritarian governments, because there is no enlightened thought path to that conclusion (& no Hobbes' writings do not get there), leaving us with only the two options, fooled, or trolling for a higher power structure. I'm not really interested in which.

Re:Explosion at US natural gas plant raises risk of shortage... by AshamedCaptain on Saturday June 11, 2022 @02:47PM (#31707033)
> It can be used as a bargaining chip in unrelated negotiations like privacy rights etc.

There are many things one could have said here (e.g. PDOs -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_designation_of_origi... , regulations on hazardous materials, etc. ) , but privacy rights is not exactly one of them. The EU can and has been squashing those on its own just fine.

Re:Explosion at US natural gas plant raises risk of shortage... by FooBarWidget on Saturday June 11, 2022 @04:19PM (#31707944)
Could? They're working on re- recognizing Privacy Shield as GDPR compliant. The US most definitely has a huge bargaining chip.
Re:Explosion at US natural gas plant raises risk of shortage... by fritigern on Sunday June 12, 2022 @02:54AM (#31712178)
I donated to NOYB when I heard this.