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Re:Starbucks may close its bathrooms to the public again by ilrwbwrkhv on Saturday June 11, 2022 @01:49PM (#31706434)
Because they believe in collectivism. If someone is peeing on the street, they think oh how this makes my country look. In SF someone peeing in the street thinks aaah so much relief.

It's like how killer whales share their sense of self with others in the pod.

Re:Starbucks may close its bathrooms to the public again by thegrimmest on Saturday June 11, 2022 @01:57PM (#31706526)
I don't think you need collectivism per se, all you need is functioning police. If you piss on the floor in a cafe in Japan, you'll be arrested, charged, found guilty, and sent to prison. This process is swift, effective and severe, and doesn't include any public outcry about racism or marginalization.

Japanese prisons are inhumane by American standards, but cheap and very effective. They don't allow prisoners to interact or form a prison culture, so they don't function as criminal training centers. Consequently, crime rates in Japan are among the lowest in the world, despite declining economic conditions and dense populations.

Re:Starbucks may close its bathrooms to the public again by bozhark on Saturday June 11, 2022 @02:18PM (#31706753)
Japan police are extremely corrupt.

Extremely.

There is a reason they have the highest conviction rate in the world.

It’s not justice.

It’s the social expectation that the law officers are correct, no matter what.

If you are charged, you are guilty, as you cannot bring shame to the police.

No need to pretend they are just or proper.

Re:Starbucks may close its bathrooms to the public again by thegrimmest on Saturday June 11, 2022 @02:19PM (#31706764)
I never said that it wasn't corrupt, only asserted that it was very effective. Just like Israeli airport security - clearly ethnically discriminatory, but also very effective.
Re:Starbucks may close its bathrooms to the public again by fomine3 on Sunday June 12, 2022 @04:56AM (#31712968)
Polices aren't extremely corrupt but just sometimes incompetent. Prosecutors are corrupt.
Re:Starbucks may close its bathrooms to the public again by kube-system on Saturday June 11, 2022 @02:08PM (#31706650)
The police can’t be everywhere at every time. Policing can only be effective when crime is culturally uncommon and the incidents relatively mild. If crime is culturally excusable, it often exceeds what police can handle.

Japan isn’t the only country with a brutal criminal justice system. Many of the other examples have high crime.

Re:Starbucks may close its bathrooms to the public again by vimy on Saturday June 11, 2022 @02:00PM (#31706557)
Everyone is isolated in prison? You can’t talk to other prisoners?
Re:Starbucks may close its bathrooms to the public again by thegrimmest on Saturday June 11, 2022 @02:02PM (#31706585)
Yes.

> When and how to speak. Strict silence is observed the majority of the time. During leisure times, talking should be done in a low voice so as not to disturb others. Utmost respect must be used when addressing guards or punishments will follow.

1. https://gaijinass.com/2017/03/30/brutal-realities-of-prison-...

Re:Starbucks may close its bathrooms to the public again by shrimp_emoji on Saturday June 11, 2022 @02:07PM (#31706636)
>Because they believe in collectivism.

Not just that, I think.

What's true of Japan is also true of parts of Western Europe.

>If someone is peeing on the street, they think oh how this makes my country look. In SF someone peeing in the street thinks aaah so much relief.

In France, public urination is viewed as an unofficial human right[0], but I don't think you'd have SF's problems in Paris.

It's just more "civilized" societies (with better education, law enforcement, social safety nets, regional investment, etc.).

The U.S. is a step towards Pandora from Borderlands (in scale, material social investment, and cultural ethos).

0: https://www.npr.org/2018/09/11/646567224/paris-tries-to-cont...

Re:Starbucks may close its bathrooms to the public again by jwilk on Saturday June 11, 2022 @02:17PM (#31706745)
Re:Starbucks may close its bathrooms to the public again by usrn on Sunday June 12, 2022 @11:16AM (#31715109)
Collectivism requires some amount of nationalism. When everyone in charge treats your country like it's just an economic zone you're not going to have that.