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Re:The Great Decentralization? Geographic shifts and where t... by coenhyde on Friday June 10, 2022 @11:40AM (#31695693)
What a terrible take. You're the kind of NIMBY who creates the problems then blames them on new residents. How about you listen to their problems and solve some of them instead of blaming them for problems they did not create.
Re:The Great Decentralization? Geographic shifts and where t... by EB66 on Friday June 10, 2022 @11:55AM (#31695896)
The problem in Seattle is that it's been flooded by highly paid tech workers. Our population has exploded in the past decade (over 21% increase). The city council has pushed through tons of rezoning and construction has been faster here than elsewhere in the country but it can't keep up with demand.

So, it may not be polite to point it out, but it's not inaccurate to say that the problem is in fact people like the OP.

Re:The Great Decentralization? Geographic shifts and where t... by BlargMcLarg on Friday June 10, 2022 @12:02PM (#31695996)
And the ridiculous concentration of wealth caused by tech companies able to hire those highly paid tech workers goes without blame? It's fairly inaccurate to present it in a way people like OP are the only issue here.
Re:The Great Decentralization? Geographic shifts and where t... by EB66 on Friday June 10, 2022 @12:16PM (#31696159)
Of course they're not the only issue -- no one's arguing that.

What we're talking about is the negative reaction from other Seattlites to highly paid newcomers who complain about the weather and high prices.

Re:The Great Decentralization? Geographic shifts and where t... by kipchak on Friday June 10, 2022 @12:22PM (#31696227)
From what I can find it looks like Seattle's growth rate was about 2% annually from the 1980s to 2000, then tapered off to 1.2% from 2000 to 2019.[1] I'm not very familiar with Seattle, but maybe that growth has been extremely localized? [1]https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/23140/seattle/population
Re:The Great Decentralization? Geographic shifts and where t... by EB66 on Friday June 10, 2022 @12:26PM (#31696267)
You're looking at numbers for the Seattle metro area. The story with the city itself is different. The population went from 608k in 2010 to 737k in 2020. That's a huge jump for a city that's geographically constrained and already had no empty land available for development.
Re:The Great Decentralization? Geographic shifts and where t... by gedy on Friday June 10, 2022 @12:22PM (#31696224)
20% increase in 10 years? Wow what an impossible number to accommodate. /s

This likely points to slow bureaucracies or people fighting change or growth at all costs.

Re:The Great Decentralization? Geographic shifts and where t... by EB66 on Friday June 10, 2022 @12:34PM (#31696356)
It doesn't sound like you're familiar with the area. Seattle is geographically constrained and there was already no empty land available for development in 2010 when the latest surge of new residents began. We can only accommodate new people by tearing down structures that already exist and replacing them with denser structures.

> This likely points to slow bureaucracies or people fighting change or growth at all costs.

There are NIMBY elements here, but the city hasn't been shying away from development. It's a completely different story up here than compared to San Francisco. Take a look at the city skyline from 2010 to 2020 -- it's completely different.

But there hasn't just been development in the downtown core. In 2017, the city council approved major upzoning changes in 27 neighborhoods across the city. It was passed unanimously. Lots of single-family housing zoning went away and tons of construction has followed, but it can't keep pace with new arrivals.

In areas where single-family housing still exists, the city changed zoning laws to allow backyard ADUs. The number of backyard cottages exploded and many of them are being rented out.

Is the situation perfect? Absolutely not -- housing prices are still sky high. But it's a vastly different situation than the one you've dismissively alluded to.

Re:The Great Decentralization? Geographic shifts and where t... by coenhyde on Friday June 10, 2022 @04:55PM (#31699260)
Land utilization is always close to 100% in cities. It's a misnomer that cities can "run out of land". Cities go up, they increase density. If they can't go up, it is usually because of zoning restrictions. And that's a choice of local residents and authorities.
Re:The Great Decentralization? Geographic shifts and where t... by EB66 on Sunday June 12, 2022 @12:01AM (#31711300)
I don't think that's true at all. Do you have data to support it? Everything I've seen indicates that most large cities do have a significant percentage of vacant land ( https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13574809.2016.11... ) and that cities like Seattle, SF, NYC, etc are indeed unique in their geographic constraints and total land utilization.

What I'm really talking about what I say "geographically constrained" is the elasticity of housing supply. Cities like Seattle, SF and NYC have less elastic housing supply in part because of their current land utilization and geographic constraints hemming in new development. That's a pretty well understood phenomenon.

Re:The Great Decentralization? Geographic shifts and where t... by coenhyde on Monday June 13, 2022 @03:52PM (#31730861)
How do you think NYC supports the population it does? Manhattan is not filled single dwelling houses, but at one time it was. It was much easier to build in NYC in the past than now. If they applied the same zoning restrictions then as SF does now, it never would have become the city that it is today.
Re:The Great Decentralization? Geographic shifts and where t... by kaesar14 on Friday June 10, 2022 @12:54PM (#31696639)
Seattle is still only the 10th densest city in the country.