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Re:MIT researchers uncover ‘unpatchable’ flaw in Apple M1 chips by cosmiccatnap on Friday June 10, 2022 @10:32AM (#31694749)
I wonder at what point we will finally give up on trying to make a stable implementation of speculative execution.
Re:MIT researchers uncover ‘unpatchable’ flaw in Apple M1 chips by xxpor on Friday June 10, 2022 @01:01PM (#31696724)
The moment someone wants to take the economic hit of a decade+ of performance progress.

IOW, not gonna happen.

I could see coprocessors becoming more popular though. We already have AES-NI, what if the sensitive keys never ended up in CPU cache because the CPU never had to see them? Specialized HW could not have speculative execution. Granted, that doesn't prevent seeing the plain text of something that's decrypted. It's all about the threat model and what tradeoffs you're willing to make.

And that's why Intel et al haven't completely abandoned speculative execution. For the vast vast vast majority of people, the security issues they're much more likely to deal with are straight up getting scammed. Not 0 days, and especially not insane stuff like this. Unless you can turn it into a zero-click iMessage bug (or similar), meh.

Re:MIT researchers uncover ‘unpatchable’ flaw in Apple M1 chips by userbinator on Friday June 10, 2022 @08:16PM (#31700755)
I wonder at what point we will finally give up on all these "mitigations" which are otherwise pure bloat without the presence of an actual attack, and seem like they don't make things all that much harder even when there is one.
Re:MIT researchers uncover ‘unpatchable’ flaw in Apple M1 chips by phendrenad2 on Friday June 10, 2022 @09:03PM (#31701008)
I just want my computer to go into a special "nonspeculative" mode when I open by bank's website.
Re:MIT researchers uncover ‘unpatchable’ flaw in Apple M1 chips by saagarjha on Friday June 10, 2022 @10:17PM (#31701369)
PAC is a good mitigation with a good threat model: preventing ROP/JOP.
Re:MIT researchers uncover ‘unpatchable’ flaw in Apple M1 chips by homodeus on Friday June 10, 2022 @01:44PM (#31697222)
Any reason they aren't using formal verification for this kind of thing? It would seem like a very worthy investment.
Re:MIT researchers uncover ‘unpatchable’ flaw in Apple M1 chips by ummonk on Friday June 10, 2022 @09:14PM (#31701075)
We basically have zero ability to do formal verification against information leakage through cache timing attacks and the like.