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Re:Claws Mail by lagrange77 on Friday June 10, 2022 @08:57AM (#31693419)
He's talking about good UI and you're talking about bad UI.
Re:Claws Mail by mpol on Friday June 10, 2022 @09:15AM (#31693668)
There was only mention of a facelift, which can be good or bad. And lots of facelifts nowadays are quite bad, so I understand the concern.
Re:Claws Mail by quantum_magpie on Friday June 10, 2022 @05:21PM (#31699501)
The main reason I've used claws for the last 12 years is because it looks elegant, clear, clean, simple, and most important: consistent.

It doesn't need a facelift or an overhaul! In fact, as soon as that happens I (and I suspect, majority of users) will leave it forever.

Re:Claws Mail by layer8 on Friday June 10, 2022 @11:55AM (#31695889)
I haven’t seen any modern UI for desktop apps which wasn’t bad in the sense the parent meant: too little affordances, not following long-established OS conventions, not using the native controls and look&feel, not being keyboard-navigable, etc.
Re:Claws Mail by iforgotpassword on Friday June 10, 2022 @11:25AM (#31695468)
so, he is suggesting not to change anything about claws? :-)
Re:Claws Mail by heyoni on Friday June 10, 2022 @09:15AM (#31693663)
It’s almost impossible to make good UI without dumbing things way down. Either that or I’m lacking imagination.
Re:Claws Mail by Maelcum on Friday June 10, 2022 @11:05AM (#31695199)
Just look at the Date format field in the Preferences screenshot. It's really hard to not find a more user-friendly way to do it, IMHO.

UI and UX matters more than developers care to admit.

Re:Claws Mail by cuu508 on Friday June 10, 2022 @12:27PM (#31696280)
Ok, I'll bite-

What would be a functionally equivalent, but more user-friendly way to do it? (And preferably not 10x harder to implement)

Re:Claws Mail by lagrange77 on Friday June 10, 2022 @12:39PM (#31696441)
For example an additional drop-down menu with common date string formats, where the first entry is the OS default for the given locale.

Additionally one could add a text label, which displays an example date formatted by the currently selected choice.

Re:Claws Mail by Maelcum on Friday June 10, 2022 @07:33PM (#31700505)
See? It's really not that hard, you just need to switch the perspective for a minute: what would I prefer if I were a user? Hiding the complexity from the user is one step forward to a better UI.